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Pa. Pete

10-19-2006 09:57:37




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I backed my tractor into my garage, to find this line of oil from the rear axle pan. Looking closer, I find this 'slash' in the pan, and upon pulling the pan, found this washer sitting loose in the pan. I've been driving this tractor for a year. All I can guess is that this has been sitting in the pan from a previous repair, unnoticed by the mechanic at the time, until the edge finally caught a cog on the bull gear. Hard to believe it's migrated from somewhere else.
Anyone have an idea, given the shoulder on the washer as seen in the plane view, what specific purpose it might have served, to help identify from where it came?

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stan2270

10-19-2006 16:12:58




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 Re: Super A mystery in reply to Pa. Pete, 10-19-2006 09:57:37  
Pete, I can fax you the IPL pages for the final drives if that would help you. Just e-mail your fax number to me. Regards, Stan in TN



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Super A

10-19-2006 12:16:17




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 Re: Super A mystery in reply to Pa. Pete, 10-19-2006 09:57:37  
Did you say, was it the left axle or the right? If the left, that bolt holds on the optional seed plate drive sprocket, the one that would turn the fertilizer distributor/planter mechanism if so equipped.

Al



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Pa. Pete

10-19-2006 12:28:43




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 Re: Super A mystery in reply to Super A, 10-19-2006 12:16:17  
Al, it's on the right. The cover is solid. That being so, does that bolt get driven down tight? I guess I'd have to get that right wheel in the air to check the bearing tolerance, and another question, should the tire be off the axle shaft to check the bearing tightness? Or isn't it that crucial?



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Pa. Pete

10-19-2006 09:58:21




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 Re: Super A mystery in reply to Pa. Pete, 10-19-2006 09:57:37  
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Here's the washer-



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scotty

10-19-2006 10:33:24




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 Re: Super A mystery in reply to Pa. Pete, 10-19-2006 09:58:21  
Pete, I believe that washer belongs between the long pipe spacer and the bull gear. Like you said it probablly went unoticed the last time it was dissassembled.


scotty



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banjo

10-19-2006 10:26:44




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 Re: Super A mystery in reply to Pa. Pete, 10-19-2006 09:58:21  
I second what Hugh said, i have one on the axle of my super a. don't remember which side of the bull gear it is on but it is a spacer.probably fell off when the bull gear was pulled at one time and went unnoticed.



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Hugh MacKay

10-19-2006 10:20:21




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 Re: Super A mystery in reply to Pa. Pete, 10-19-2006 09:58:21  
Pete: What is the inside diameter of that washer? Just a thought, but is it same as axle diameter? The washer looks familiar, and the reason I ask those questions is I once, many years ago, replaced a final drive housing. Put all my own gears back in the new housing.



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Pa. Pete

10-19-2006 11:25:40




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 Re: Super A mystery in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-19-2006 10:20:21  
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Thanks for the replies, guys. This forum is awesome.

Hugh, the inner diameter is 1 3/8 inches, but I can't 'see' the axle to measure it.

I took the pan to some local guys and got it welded, after beating it back into shape. LOL, they told me that washer BELONGS in the pan, it keeps the oil stirred up! Comedians! LOL

I took off the inner axle cover, and I believe I see the washer hard up against the bearing. Guy must have just replaced it when he "lost" the original. I guess I'M lucky it finally jammed when I wasn't mowing, when I wouldn't have noticed it in quite a while. How he didn't know where he dropped it is beyond me. You'd have to know it would cause havoc sooner or later, landing in the pan. A magnet could have retrieved it pretty easy.

Can I ask the next question to which this leads? That bolt must screw INTO the axle. When I put a wrench on it, it wasn't loose, but it wasn't tight, so I wondered if it was used to take up the bearing tolerance, but then there's nothing to hold it from loosening, and I would have sooner expected a castellated nut and a cotter pin. Do I have this wrong? Do you use that lug-ed spacer to set the tolerance, and then turn this bolt down tight?
Oddly, my parts-manual doesn't show this bolt at all, nor one of these washers on the other side. Makes it hard to tell what's supposed to be where.

Again, my appreciation.

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Hugh MacKay

10-19-2006 13:52:16




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 Re: Super A mystery in reply to Pa. Pete, 10-19-2006 11:25:40  
Pete: I think if you give more attention to what scotty and banjo are saying, therein will lie the secret. Those guys have each had one of those apart in the past two years. It's been close to 40 years since I had one apart, thus my memory is not quite as fresh as theirs.

I was just telling you what I remembered, and that was the reason I stopped where I did. I have a feeling there is more than one washer on that axle assembly. You may indeed have a washer missing in there next to the bull gear. Just could be the reason why that bolt in end of axle was not excessively tight. You have a consultation with scotty or banjo.

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