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Farmall H - rototiller

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Trent M

10-05-2006 22:03:11




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Anyone use a rototiller with their H? I just got a 3 pt. hitch and would like to get one. Anything special to look for? 540 PTO speed ... need special tiller? And etc. Any help is appreciated.

Trent




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Delta Dirt

10-07-2006 19:10:37




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 Re: Farmall H - rototiller in reply to Trent M, 10-05-2006 22:03:11  
I have had a lot of experience with roto tillers---back in the 60"s & early 70"s, I worked for Howard Rotavator as a factory rep. Have used them on the farm and still occasionally use one.
For most applications---the H, M & 460---560 (5 speed transmission) tractors had to fast of forward speeds to really do an adequate job. One thing for certain----you need a direct drive gear train that will provide a "braking force" against forward thrust from the tiller. The early TA"s would increase pulling power, but allow "free wheeling" against the forward thrust of the tiller (as if disengaging the clutch).

Depending on how serious your tiller plans are--I would highly recommend finding a tractor with a little more HP, 8 speed transmission (with several low forward speeds), live PTO and live hydraulics. Its not that it can"t be done with the H---just that you would probably be better satisfied in the end. I have run an 80" cut Rotavator on one of my M"s---but never was real pleased. Also have run an 80" on my Kubota L2850 (28 hp), but with extremely low speeds and operating the Rotavator very shallow.

One thing to keep in mind----don"t know about other brands, but most of the Howard machines have a multi speed gear box, where you can change the blade speed in the rear of the gearbox. The slower you turn the blades---the less power is required from the tractor. At the same time---in order to take a smaller bite with the tiller blade (and result in a finer textured seed bed), if the blades are turning slower---you need a slower forward speed on the tractor. Conversely----with more power, you can speed the blades up, move the tractor faster and do more work.

A good rule of thumb is 1 HP for each 1" of cutting width of the tiller. For lesser HP ratios---you really need slower forward speeds.

Good luck on your project----keep us posted.

Delta Dirt Avon, Ms 38723

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Roger46

10-06-2006 17:43:38




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 Re: Farmall H - rototiller in reply to Trent M, 10-05-2006 22:03:11  
From the comments below it appears that no one has used a rototiller on an H. I have a 72 inch wide rototiller on my Super H. Granted, you can't rototill sod, but who does? It all depends on where you are going to use it. I have rototilled many gardens and all my customers are very happy with the results. I would like to go slower when rototilling, but it still works fine in low gear. The bigger issue with an H may be the power needed. My Super H with a power pack is marginal in some soil conditions. Roger

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Nat 2

10-06-2006 07:44:02




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 Re: Farmall H - rototiller in reply to Trent M, 10-05-2006 22:03:11  
The only way to get a gear low enough for a rototiller on a stock H would be to drive the transmission with a hydraulic motor by way of the belt pulley.

Problem with that is, you need to keep the clutch pedal pushed in for it to work (transmission has to be in gear), which disengages the PTO and belly pump so you can't run the hydraulic motor or the rototiller...

I guess an H won't work very well unless you buy a rototiller with its own engine. Then you could rig up the hydraulic motor-driving-belt pulley creeper.

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Wardner

10-06-2006 10:46:03




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 Re: Farmall H - rototiller in reply to Nat 2, 10-06-2006 07:44:02  
Nat,

You got me thinking. Run the engine and PTO with the transmission in neutral. Attach a hydraulic motor to the bull pinion where it meets the brake drum. You would need a very large motor or one with a gearbox to get the slow speed.

I think we sloved this problem. Now, who is going to do the math so that the right hydraulic drive is selected? We will also need a dog clutch to disconnect the drive when normal speeds are desired.

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Wardner

10-06-2006 10:56:03




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 Re: Farmall H - rototiller in reply to Wardner, 10-06-2006 10:46:03  
On second thought, forget the calculations. Use something similar to the concept behind an IH Hydro. Maybe the perfect match would be a Cub hydro drive. That would allow you to dial in any speed including reverse. It would still attach to one of the brake drums. A chain or belt drive would be the easiest fabrication.

Nah, I am not going to build one. I am all set with what I have. It would be fun to slow race it though.

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Hugh MacKay

10-06-2006 02:33:00




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 Re: Farmall H - rototiller in reply to Trent M, 10-05-2006 22:03:11  
Trent: Your going to find the H as is the case with most pre 1963 Farmalls, will be too high sped in 1st gear for ideal roto tiller performance. Most other American built row crop tractors will be the same.

I'm not saying you can't do it, just that you will not be as happy as you would be with some of the more modern tractors with dual range transmissions and live pto.



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Wardner

10-06-2006 05:21:50




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 Re: Farmall H - rototiller in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-06-2006 02:33:00  
Hugh,

I would put the year as 1962. I have a 504 that creeps and although I have not attached my Howard tiller (four feet wide) on it, I think it could handle it in sod.

Earlier tractors can be modified. I have a SMTA that has a top speed of 11 MPH at 1600 RPM. I haven't calculated its lowest speed in first while in low range, but I think it must be half of a stock SMTA in first gear/high range. It was done by using the first gear and and the differential gears from a 560. Tires are 15.5 x 38.

My tractors are never roaded. In my state, they have to be registered and insured like trucks unless you can prove a high percentage of agricultural income. There are no exemptions for backhoes and loaders.

I presume if a 460 transaxle were grafted on to an H, one could get similiar results.

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scotty

10-06-2006 06:10:17




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 Re: Farmall H - rototiller in reply to Wardner, 10-06-2006 05:21:50  
Mornin Wardner, Just wondering if you have done any more with the electral project ?

My offer still stands!


scotty



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Wardner

10-06-2006 06:27:00




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 Re: Farmall H - rototiller in reply to scotty, 10-06-2006 06:10:17  
Scotty,

Not yet. The first step is to remove the gearbox. Not a big job as it is easily accessible and attached with four bolts. I will take some pictures and send them to you or post them at YT. Glad to hear you are still interested.



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