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Allan In NE

09-26-2006 02:16:38




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Good Morning!

I have an old IH 145 plow that I'm going to coax another 43 acres out of and then I think it is pretty much due for a total rebuild. It is becoming more and more obvious by the day that the only way to handle this gumbo type soil I’m dealing with is to plow it every year.

This is a good, structurally-sound plow, but it originally came from over in Wyoming where it was used in the sand and said sand has of course, taken it's toll over the years on the wear items.

Needless to say, I'm a little concerned about the cost of replacement parts.

Has anyone bought a moldboard recently and can you give me a ballpark figure of about what they are gonna cost?

Actually, the darned thing is gonna need moldboards, shins, lathes and land-sides. I first thought of just junking the plow and buying another, but can't find a used one that is in any better shape than this one.

Thanks,

Allan

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GordoSD

09-26-2006 07:51:35




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to Allan In NE, 09-26-2006 02:16:38  
Same here in SD. No one uses a moldboard plow anymore . They sell for less than scrap value. I have a brand new 3-16 superchief here you can have cheap. It's still got the original blue and red paint, and decals on it.

Gordo



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Allan In NE

09-26-2006 09:12:30




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to GordoSD, 09-26-2006 07:51:35  
You're lucky Gordo. Wish I could get away with that. :>)

Allan



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MN Scott

09-26-2006 07:02:21




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to Allan In NE, 09-26-2006 02:16:38  
You can price CNH parts on the CNH online parts website but I bet they are 2x shoups prices. Just go to the middle of the page and click on "launch Case Ih parts catalogs". You can also look up parts for New Holland machinery to.



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Allan In NE

09-26-2006 07:13:13




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to MN Scott, 09-26-2006 07:02:21  
Are the Shoup parts any good? Or, are they a cheaper chinaman variety?

Allan



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MN Scott

09-26-2006 12:13:05




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to Allan In NE, 09-26-2006 07:13:13  
I've never bought plow parts from them but the Deere planter parts they sell are US made and of good quailty. Heck Deeres planter and tillage parts are made in mexico or india. If I was buying plow parts I would buy from Shoup.



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Red Dave

09-26-2006 06:58:57




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to Allan In NE, 09-26-2006 02:16:38  
Alan, I bought several Super Chief plow parts last spring from Messicks. Mostly had them in stock. If you have a good frog, you should be able to make it like new, if you apply enough cash to the problem.

Any Case/IH dealer ought to have those parts too.



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Hugh MacKay

09-26-2006 03:43:38




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to Allan In NE, 09-26-2006 02:16:38  
Allan: You didn't say but I expect the 145 has either plow chief or super chief bottoms. If they are plow chief you may as well truck it off to the scrap dealer.

Super chief will be quite different, all parts still available. I'm not up to date on prices, however I just bought a plow with super chief bottoms, thus I will most likely find out.

On the sand issue, look at it this way, you clay guys burn a lot more fuel, we just burn up plow wear parts. I can remember plowing with my 5x16 semi-mount, super chief, and it was new share-points every morning. Bear in mind I was pulling it with 656.

Here where I live now it's heavy clay. I just finished rebuilding a 2x12 1 point fast hitch plow, it hadn't been used in 15 years. I plowed 3 acres, and still haven't got the rust cleaned off. In my Nova Scotia sandy loam, an acre and half would have acomplished that. I'm actually out looking for some custom work, just to clean that rust off. Now if you were a bit closer, I could take on the 43 acres, clean up this 2x12 Ace bottom plus my new 2x12 super chief plow. Is it cold in NE, I don't have a cab. I refuse to subject this old carcass to cold weather.

I doubt if I'm competive anymore plowing with 2 bottoms, however I have some parts to pickup from Rusty Farmall in New market IA. But then if I had the tractor and two plows on, it would add to my trucking, especially when I wanted to also call on those Missourians, and help eat their steer. Hal told me I best not be late or Paul, Jimmy and Harley will eat all. Then I don't have the super chief plow home yet. You best make other plans, Nebraska will be frozen by the time I get there.

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Allan In NE

09-26-2006 03:56:32




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-26-2006 03:43:38  
I'm not bright enough to know the difference in the bottoms. They are the shorter, stubbier ones; not those long, swept back high-speed type.

Guess I'll get all the part numbers off the existing parts and go from there.

Yeah, you need to get that plow of yours out here; it would be scoured out in 50 feet. :>)

Allan



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Hugh Mackay

09-26-2006 05:12:47




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to Allan In NE, 09-26-2006 03:56:32  
Allan: The most visable difference between plow chief and super chief is the share-point. 1 piece on super chief and two piece on plow chief. The whole bottom must be different as frogs have a different part number. I suspect the moldboard could be the same. I had two No. 60 4x16 plows, I swore by the super chief plow and only swore at the plow chief model. You couldn't keep the plow chief points tight, all of a sudden at a head land, you had a point missing.

I took the plow chief bottom plow to a consignment auction, got decent money for it. 15 years later I noticed the plow still behind the auction barn. I asked them if they realized they paid me, thinking they may never have sold it. He advised me the buyer paid day of sale, but I can't get him to come pick it up. I advised him about the plow chief bottoms and said, "Maybe the buyer went to dealer and was advised he wouldn't loose anymore money by leaving it where it was." Scrap wasn't worth much back then.

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IaGary

09-26-2006 02:56:16




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to Allan In NE, 09-26-2006 02:16:38  
Mornin Allan

Shoups prices

Moldboards $89.00
shins 13.00
shares 16" 14.00
Landsides 17.00

total $133.00 x8 = $1064

Wow I guess thats why I put up with a one way plow.

Gary



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Allan In NE

09-26-2006 03:10:49




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to IaGary, 09-26-2006 02:56:16  
Hey! Thanks a bunch! I couldn't get that darned Shoup thingy to work. :>(

Heck, I think that is cheap; couldn't buy a scrap plow for that price. Was just setting here thinking that maybe I ought to just get a new plow that would out last me.

But, judging from the cost of everything else on the dealer's lots, a new plow would probably run in at around $12-15K.

Isn't playin' in the dirt fun? :>(

Allan

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Rauville

09-26-2006 06:15:17




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to Allan In NE, 09-26-2006 03:10:49  
Just out of curiosity, I looked at the JD site, and the very cheapest green 4 bottom is:

"975 In-Furrow Reversible Moldboard Plow, Tension Bolt Standards, 4 Bottom 0244P $7,765.00" Base price w/o the fancy options like freight.

You're right...fixing is cheaper!



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IaGary

09-26-2006 03:37:53




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to Allan In NE, 09-26-2006 03:10:49  
Can a person still buy a new plow.

Just ain't seen a new one for so long was wondering.

Gary



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Allan In NE

09-26-2006 03:46:37




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to IaGary, 09-26-2006 03:37:53  
Dunno,

Just assumed that ya could.

Found this 5 bottom down the road from me. Worse shape than mine and they want 6 grand for it. :>(

Allan

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Nat 2

09-26-2006 05:27:20




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to Allan In NE, 09-26-2006 03:46:37  
A few hundred dollars of plow iron, and a couple hours work, and that plow would be like new.

I guess I'm just finding it strange that you would consider replacing the entire plow because the normal wear parts are shot. Dad goes through a set of points and shins every year, landsides about every two years, and moldboards every two to three years. If he bought a new plow every time the wear parts got tired, he'd have gone broke 15 years ago.

Plow iron is easy to replace and way cheaper than a whole new plow every time. Flame wrench 'em off and bolt the new ones on. Don't bother trying to recycle the bolts, as the heads are worn off and will fall right through the holes on the new iron.

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Allan In NE

09-26-2006 06:52:24




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to Nat 2, 09-26-2006 05:27:20  
A few hundred dollars?

You'd better take another peek. Replacement parts are gonna be way more than I give for the plow to start with.

Allan



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Nat 2

09-26-2006 12:27:00




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to Allan In NE, 09-26-2006 06:52:24  
Taking IaGary's numbers:

$133 per bottom for all-new iron
x 5 bottoms on Dad's plow
= $665

Okay, several hundred dollars. Let's play semantics. Sheesh. It's still cheaper than new.

Yours is a "4-bottom" rollover, right?

$133 per bottom for all-new iron
x 4 bottoms on Allen's plow
x 2 for the rollover bottoms
= $1064

Allen, you must've gotten one heckuva deal on that plow for $1064 to be more than you paid for the plow.

You have to take into consideration that that was a once-in-a-lifetime deal that you'll never see again. You'll never find another rollover plow like yours with decent iron for less than $1000 ever again. Just replace the iron and it'll be like new again, and will last you for years.

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Harley

09-26-2006 07:41:16




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to Allan In NE, 09-26-2006 06:52:24  
Hey buddy, don't know about them fancy flippin plows, but up in the cornpatch a regular plow you can about have for hauling it off. NOBODY plows anymore, thus about every farm has one sitting out in the fencefow somewhere. Harley



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chadd

09-26-2006 10:41:07




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to Harley, 09-26-2006 07:41:16  
Yep, in SE Wisconsin, not many people use moldboard plows. There are only 2 of us left that use moldboard plows and both of us are smaller farmers. Everyone else uses chisel plows and subsoilers. As a matter of fact, we just managed to find a 645 Vibrachisel fully three point mounted for less than 200 bucks. It won't replace our moldboard plow, but it will supplement it. Our 966 just plays with it. It is about the same width as a 5 bottom plow, but it seems to pull as hard as a 3 bottom or less. It is pretty neat to come to the end of the field and spin around and come down right next to the last pass.

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RustyFarmall

09-26-2006 08:55:28




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 Re: Hugh Mac Kay or Anyone? in reply to Harley, 09-26-2006 07:41:16  
Harley, I have to agree with you. The exception would be the older rope trip pull type plows, they may not bring a lot of money, but you can bet that someone will buy it. About a year ago I watched an IH 6 bottom semi-mount in fair condition sell at auction for about $50, and I think a scrap iron dealer bought it.



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