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BDM

09-20-2006 19:30:17




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Hello all. Can anyone tell me the difference in the rear axle assemblies between these two models? Is the 460 "lighter" meaning weaker?(lack of a better word) Are they the same size as far as axle shafts and internal differential assemblies? Bearings? Thanks.

Brian




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D Slater

09-21-2006 05:22:29




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 Re: 460 vs 560 in reply to BDM, 09-20-2006 19:30:17  
On the axle shafts, the 460 farmall came with 2 sizes, 2 1/2 or 2 3/4 the bigger shaft may have been a option but theres a lot of 460 with them. Same wheels used on 560 were used with big shaft.



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Hugh MacKay

09-21-2006 08:22:43




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 Re: 460 vs 560 in reply to D Slater, 09-21-2006 05:22:29  
D Slater: that option came along near the end of 350 production or or shortly after 460 was introduced. Came from all the IlInIa guys breaking axles on mounted corn pickers. I think there may have been a few other causes as I twisted a Farmall 300 axle on a hard pull in 1st gear. It just happened to be getting excellent traction. The axle didn't twist right off immediately, we ran it for a year that way and the axle started splitting. It was one of those tractors, dealer didn't bother to dish wheels out for 72" tread, thus wheels were at the end of the axle. In those days manual said nothing, but dealers had instructions to dish wheels out on all settings over 68". The tractors were shipped with wheels dished in. 1066s had a similar warning but it was in manual, "No maximum pulls in 3 lowest gears with duals on."

By the time 504 came along IH decided they may as well be all 2-3/4" axles.

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D Slater

09-21-2006 10:55:33




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 Re: 460 vs 560 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-21-2006 08:22:43  
Hugh, did know a fellow with 56 model 300 farmall with big axle. If it came that way or added later I can't say, the date codes on axle housings did match rest of tractor though. Another interesting thing is it had come from factory set up to burn distillate fuel.



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Hugh MacKay

09-21-2006 13:51:43




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 Re: 460 vs 560 in reply to D Slater, 09-21-2006 10:55:33  
D Slater: Was it necessary to change the axle housing? I'm not sure there ever was any difference on the inner end of the axle? I don't remember for sure, but when I had the axle out of my 300, I think there was a step down in size outside the outer bearing. I don't remember this for sure but it would only take .000 more than 1/8" each side. My personal experience is just too far back for me to call it and be certain.

There is some discussion about 2-3 years back about the massive axle change on 460s with corn pickers across the corn belt. Names I remember involved, maybe tractor vet, Rusty Farmall, I'm surprised they haven't jumped it here.

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D Slater

09-21-2006 17:17:51




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 Re: 460 vs 560 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-21-2006 13:51:43  
Yes the housings were different, both size axle used same inside bearing. Outside bearing for big axle is bigger on ID and OD.



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Wardner

09-20-2006 20:11:12




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 Re: 460 vs 560 in reply to BDM, 09-20-2006 19:30:17  
All the heavy stuff with the exception of most of the TA is scaled down from the 560 to 460. The rear wheels and axles will not interchange.

Interchangeable items would be some of the sheet metal, electrical items, hydraulic pumps, seat, steering wheel, rims, some parts of the Fast Hitch, some engine parts, and lots of small parts like TA and PTO levers, guages, throttle parts, and on and on. One could spend hours crossing the parts books. This is why I have a 460 book but only own a 660 from the 40-60 series. I like to know what I can use from the smaller, more numerous tractors.

The 460 traces its linage from the H. The 560 from the M.

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Wardner

09-20-2006 20:18:36




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 Re: 460 vs 560 in reply to Wardner, 09-20-2006 20:11:12  
I forgot to mention an oddity. When you go to the next series, that being the 04-06, the 504 uses 560 sized axles but 460 axle housings. The 504 was developed from the 340, 300-350. and C (engine) and H (frame).



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Hugh MacKay

09-21-2006 03:15:51




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 Re: 460 vs 560 in reply to Wardner, 09-20-2006 20:18:36  
Wardner: That's because those corn picking folks in the 3 - I States broke so many 460 axles.



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Wardner

09-21-2006 06:45:58




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 Re: 460 vs 560 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-21-2006 03:15:51  
That must have been incomfortable when the axle shears and the operator falls into the picker.



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RAW i IA

09-21-2006 15:06:19




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 Re: 460 vs 560 in reply to Wardner, 09-21-2006 06:45:58  
Back in 1970 I got to help replace an axle that broke on a 300 with a mounted picker on it. Was a fun job in the field, but luckil the housing wasn't damaged. We also got to change an axle on an IH combine(don't recall the number) running duals with the inside noe flat.



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Hugh MacKay

09-21-2006 08:44:01




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 Re: 460 vs 560 in reply to Wardner, 09-21-2006 06:45:58  
Wardner: It probably wasn't much fun. I never had a corn picker, but always figured from seat of combine that corn head could be quite cruel on one's body. Back about 2001, JD Humm told us a story about a guy in KS breaking an axle on one of the 100+ hp Farmalls, in road gear. The calcium filled tire ran over the operator and killed him.

I broke one on 300 but it didn't twist right off. One of my operators had one break on John Deere, but he was in a ROPS cab. He was in working gears in field, and when he got stopped, wheel was taking weight of tractor wedged between cab and ground, standing almost upright. We figured that one would have been lethal, had it not been for the cab.

We perhaps should be quite vigilant re the axles on some of these older open station row crop tractors. Some of those old tractors have seen some heavy shock loads in their day. In the case of my Deere it was 60% old break, old enough it was rusted.

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BDM

09-21-2006 12:51:55




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 Re: 460 vs 560 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-21-2006 08:44:01  
Good point Hugh. I've often thought of this myself and all I want to do is enter pull contest.



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Bill young

09-20-2006 19:55:25




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 Re: 460 vs 560 in reply to BDM, 09-20-2006 19:30:17  
460 vs 560 axle there is a bit of difference.the 460 has two&one half inch axles.the 560 has two&three quarter axles.the housings on 560 are a bit larger bearing are larger differential gears a bit larger yes the 460 is some what smaller built tractor.



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Hugh MacKay

09-20-2006 19:51:41




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 Re: 460 vs 560 in reply to BDM, 09-20-2006 19:30:17  
BDM: 560 is about 4" wider in the rear chassis, thus everything inside is larger, quite a bit larger in fact.



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BDM

09-20-2006 20:24:38




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 Re: 460 vs 560 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-20-2006 19:51:41  
Thanks for the info gents. Fully answered that :-)



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