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casio

09-19-2006 18:55:17




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I would like to know how many Super MTA Lp,s there were versus Diesels and gasses. The same question for 400's and 450's. Thanks , tried to find something on the net and had no luck.




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John A.

09-20-2006 20:06:42




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 Re: My Mistake in reply to casio, 09-19-2006 18:55:17  
Thanks guys, I must have been asleep at the Wheel when I posted that last night. Yes the 400/450 had the 4 cylinder engine. The 6cyl didn't show up till the 460/560s Again Sorry for the mistake Later,
John A.



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John A.

09-19-2006 21:14:54




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 Re: Farmalls in reply to casio, 09-19-2006 18:55:17  
casio, Due to IHs poor record keeping system accurate #s on SMTA-LP are not known. Even though IH did allocate 500 tractors to be made into LPs.
Most info on them has been gleaned from old retired IH mechanics, service techs, and the like. There are some schools of thought that say all were built and equal amount that maintain that nowhere all 500were built.
Also of the ones built there are no known consecutive #s. Due to the fact that tractors minus carb, system & tank were shipped to the tank Co. in Lubbock and San Angelo Texas, on truck and rail. Also the same trucks also took carbs, system and tanks back to the Factory to be completed too!
The Tank on a SMTA was a longwise mounted arrangement. with a Mono-valve setup at the rear of the tank, @ the 11:00 position if seateds on the tractor. NOT a series of valves in a longwise row at the top side on the tank.
There were a number of Field Conversion done also most of the time the tank is a dead giveaway to being a field conversion.
Back to the Tank issue I have seen a pic of a SMTA with a older crosswise tank like the ones on the older Stage I and II LPs SMs.
Lasty the Farmal SM family had 4 divisions though the were not marketed that way like the SH were.
So here goes....Start with a Farmall M
Add larger engine and disc brakes = SM stage I
take above and Add live hydrolics and a Super C style batt/seat assembly = SM stage II
take above and
Add Torque Amplifier and LPTO = SM stage III
there was one more member in this family and it ended up in the number series tractors...
take above and
Add refined hydrolics, better creature comforts, a bigger engine yet again...6 cyl = stage IV, aka..400
Hope this helps.
Later,
John A.

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John M

09-20-2006 03:27:08




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 Re: Farmalls in reply to John A., 09-19-2006 21:14:54  
Your Super M stage 3 was the SMTA,the 400 had a 4 cyl, not 6 as did the 450 which is still in the same line up.



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Jimmy King

09-20-2006 09:57:32




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 Re: Farmalls in reply to John M, 09-20-2006 03:27:08  
The 450 was a 4 cyl, the 460 and 560 were 6 cyl.



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Andy Martin

09-20-2006 05:46:20




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 Re: Farmalls in reply to John M, 09-20-2006 03:27:08  
450 is still a 4 cyl, at least the diesel.



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Harley

09-20-2006 00:52:35




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 Re: Farmalls in reply to John A., 09-19-2006 21:14:54  
John, the 400 was a 4 cylinder wasn"t it? Harley



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Janicholson

09-19-2006 19:11:49




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 Re: Farmalls in reply to casio, 09-19-2006 18:55:17  
I do not know the answer, But I will refer you to Guy Feys book on the Farmalls, it is considered by many to be definitive. He often reads and contributes to this forum. JimN



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