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Upper bolster/steering shaft

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SDE

09-15-2006 03:55:43




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I had the shaft out that has the worm gear on it, and when I put it back in, I thought I had tightened the end cap plenty tight. I put 80w90 in and it proceeded to leak out. Ed said he thought that this cap bottoms out against the bearing. I assumed that it was a typical pipe thread and I was wondering if I just need to retorque it with a much bigger wrench or will a pipe sealant help? Hate to wreck something with excessive force. Thank you

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Bob M

09-15-2006 04:53:39




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 Re: Upper bolster/steering shaft in reply to SDE, 09-15-2006 03:55:43  
Usually the oil leak is past the vertical (pivot) shaft seal. The seal is located deep in the "crotch" of upper bolster casting and can be a #&@^*% to replace.

Best fix is as the Cowman suggests - fill the steering pot with good quality grease and forget about it!



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Nebraska Cowman

09-15-2006 04:37:39




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 Re: Upper bolster/steering shaft in reply to SDE, 09-15-2006 03:55:43  
I'd say the cap might be cracked or the threads bad. But most nobody tries to keep 80-90 in them anymore. We just use gun grease.



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kfox

09-15-2006 05:23:53




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 Re: Upper bolster/steering shaft in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 09-15-2006 04:37:39  
Bob is sure right about that bottom seal in the steering box. I managed to destroy two of them before I finally got one in place. The replacement seals are stamped out of Coors Lite cans, and are about 3/16" thick. The old ones were double sided thick metal. Another case of Bean-Counter Boo Boo. Mine is holding for the time being, but I don't have much hope for it lasting very long. ken



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Dale Bennett

09-15-2006 06:56:17




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 Re: Upper bolster/steering shaft in reply to kfox, 09-15-2006 05:23:53  
BTY, is there any adjustment in there for slack or loosness between the gears? Mine has about 1/3 of a turn play, which is the same when turned full left, right, and center.



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Bob M

09-15-2006 08:30:54




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 Re: Upper bolster/steering shaft in reply to Dale Bennett, 09-15-2006 06:56:17  
Dale - There’s no steering gear lash “adjustment” per se. A few things you can check and maybe fix however:

With the cover off the steering box, rotate the input shaft back and forth by hand and observe the movement of the gears the slack is taken up.

If the worm shaft shows movement lengthwise it needs a new ball bearing on it’s front end. And if the rear end of the worm shows any radial movement, the bushing there must be replaced.

If the pivot shaft worm gear shows any horizontal (front to back and/or side to side) movement, the upper pivot shaft bushing is worn. The only fix is to replace the bushing.

Finally if there is slack between the worm and pivot shaft gear on account of gear wear, and the worm gear is a full 360 degree style, sometimes removing the gear, turning it 180 deg and putting it back on (so fresh, unworn teeth now engage the worm) helps. But if the gear is the “half moon” style it cannot be rotated – only solution is to replace it.

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My experience is it’s usually a combination of all of the above causing steering play.

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Dave 2N

09-15-2006 08:44:57




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 Re: Upper bolster/steering shaft in reply to Bob M, 09-15-2006 08:30:54  
Bob-

On our Super H, we found the univeral joint in the steering shaft was worn too, so we replaced it. That along with a used but much better sector gear stopped the wobble. The bushings weren't bad but replacing the seal was BAD!!!



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Bob M

09-15-2006 09:56:27




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 Re: Upper bolster/steering shaft in reply to Dave 2N, 09-15-2006 08:44:57  
Indeed Dave! A worn steering shaft u-joint will contribute to steering wobble too. Thanks for mentioning!

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Incidentally replacing the pivot shaft seal on my Super H gave me fits too. Wound up making a "seal installation tool" (turned on the lathe from an old wooden tool handle...) to push the seal up into place. And the after that exercise I discovered the NEW seal leaked - though not nearly as badly as the original one. That's when I gave up and packed the steering pot with grease. Hasn't leaked a drop in 6 years now!!

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Randy S.E.-MN

09-15-2006 06:53:52




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 Re: Upper bolster/steering shaft in reply to kfox, 09-15-2006 05:23:53  
I had the same problem you had...scrawny damn seals. I made an installer out of threaded rod, one large washer on top and one washer equal to the witdth if the seal on the bottom. Then I just turned down on the upper nut (I used 3/4 threaded rod "cause I had it lying around) and drew the seal upward into place...and then proceeded to double seal the shaft...it"s holding real good so far.



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Roger46

09-15-2006 15:46:43




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 Re: Upper bolster/steering shaft in reply to Randy S.E.-MN, 09-15-2006 06:53:52  
I don't know why people have so much trouble putting that seal in. I do exactly as you said using washers and threaded rod. All you need to do is make sure the seal pulls up evenly as you pull it in place. I have done several of them on H's and an M and haven't had one leak. I always fill with 90 weight oil, not grease. I also usually put some non hardening gasket cement on the threads of that cap that seats the worm gear shaft to make sure it doesn't leak. Roger

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