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Painting an M

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BOBM25

09-12-2006 10:04:56




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How would/do you guys do it. Some say take off fuel tank, hood, grill and other sheetmetal, mask everything else and paint all at once. Others strip everything down to the last nut and bolt and paint everything separate. I've heard that most everything was painted after assembly at the factory. I've never done this before but I'm thinking a little of both is the way to go. Also,the question, "To sand blast or not to sand blast?" My M is not very rusty but I want a good paint job. My experience painting things other than tractors make me want to sand blast the castings and frame rails. If I don't sand blast, whats a good kind of primer/paint to use?

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JohnG(TX)

09-13-2006 11:52:05




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 Re: Painting an M in reply to BOBM25, 09-12-2006 10:04:56  
OK, Let's try some photos and see how they come out.

First, here is the frame/carcass right after it has been sandblasted and primered. I used the POR15 silver epoxy.

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Now, here she is with her red clothes on.

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Engine install
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Partial assembly
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And here she is with her No. 7 middlebuster added
Front section
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Rear section
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Tom Windsor

09-13-2006 17:51:35




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 Re: Painting an M in reply to JohnG(TX), 09-13-2006 11:52:05  
I really admire your restoration work. I see hours and hours of hard work here. I also notice in the photos that you have to have more than one fuel tank to make it work... :-)



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BOBM25

09-13-2006 09:44:10




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 Re: Painting an M in reply to BOBM25, 09-12-2006 10:04:56  
Hey thanks guys, especially to ones who emailed me pictures. I think I'm going to sandblast the castings. I'm going to pull the engine out since it needs a rear main seal anyway. I'll paint it on the stand, that way I can get all the crud out of the inside of the frame rails. I don't think I'll sandblast the engine, I don't want to tear it all down. I'll rough it up then spray or maybe even brush it. I think I'll go with acryllic paint instead of the stuff from CaseIH. Hope I get the right shade of Red! It's all going to have to wait till after fall harvest, but I'm ready!

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Tom Windsor

09-12-2006 19:26:17




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 Re: Painting an M in reply to BOBM25, 09-12-2006 10:04:56  
"Sand"blasting..

With sand blasting you imbed silica in the metal and it can be hell on a paint job. I use Al Oxide for my medium when blasting if absolutely necessary and rotating wire brushes where not necessary. The real bad rusty wheels on the Regular that I am working on called for aggressive treatment and I hit it with sand. Dont think there should be a general rule but a case by case decision based on what you are working on and what you want the final result to be.

TW

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CNKS

09-13-2006 06:15:25




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 Re: Painting an M in reply to Tom Windsor, 09-12-2006 19:26:17  
I wire brush or sand then clean after sandblasting. I don't trust the sandblasted finish either



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JohnG(TX)

09-12-2006 14:35:24




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 Re: Painting an M in reply to BOBM25, 09-12-2006 10:04:56  
I did my first tractor several years ago. It is a 1936 F-20, and it had been sitting for many years. I basically took everything apart and sandblasted every nut, bolt, washer, and fitting. Since it was a basket case to start with, I had to tear it down completely anyway. I sandblasted the block, head, radiator, etc, when they were apart for fixing/rebuilding, so I had no problem getting ALL of the sand out. I did leave the main carcass together (frame rails, front bolster, tranny, axle, drop boxes, and wheels). There are a lot of places rust can hide on an F-20. Sandblasting won't get into all the little nooks and crannies. On the Regular I am doing now, I broke the whole thing down even further since a lot of the frame bolts had rusted in two.

For my M's, B, and SC, since they are basically a unit construction, I may leave the engine, tranny, and rear axles bolted together, but take off the manifold, starter, accessories (gen, mag, PS pump), radiator, frame rails, gas tank, seat, etc. I would mask or fill the intake/exhaust ports, and other such openings with greasy rags, then either sandblast or wire brush it.

There are dozens of ways to do it. Everyone has their favorite depending on how much time they want to put into it, and how bad the tractor is to begin with. A good running tractor may not need much more than a cosmetic freshening, but like my F-20, it was a complete ground-up job. I have photos of the F-20 in progress if you are interested.

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BOBM25

09-12-2006 14:43:17




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 Re: Painting an M in reply to JohnG(TX), 09-12-2006 14:35:24  
Yeah that would be great. Any and all pictures will help me make a decision, thanks.



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BDM

09-12-2006 16:57:23




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 Re: Painting an M in reply to BOBM25, 09-12-2006 14:43:17  
Bob, have a look at these photos. I sand blasted most of the cast parts. The engine was hot tanked. The sheet metal was media blasted. Didn't want any grain/pepper marks in the metal. Here are a few work in progress pics and final paint job. Then gent who bought it did the final paint work.

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Dave2n

09-13-2006 05:30:44




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 Re: Painting an M in reply to BDM, 09-12-2006 16:57:23  
Good job! Any I-H dealer would love to have that machine back again.



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El Toro

09-12-2006 18:23:16




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 Re: Painting an M in reply to BDM, 09-12-2006 16:57:23  
You did a nice job in restoring that tractor. It probably looks better than when it was new. Hal



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BDM

09-12-2006 19:01:58




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 Re: Painting an M in reply to El Toro, 09-12-2006 18:23:16  
Thanks Hal. That poor tractor was a wreck when I bought it. The blow-by was enormous. Didn't smoke but compression was very low on all cylinders. Rusted. Thrown together hobbled repairs. Someone attempted to paint part of it with what looked like a roller. Had rodents nest through any crevice. Leaked at every gasket..... .It was ugly!

Current owner is even more of a perfectionist than I. Very talented. Both of us are long time racers and muscle car nuts. I know when he gets done with some of the needed items, it will be about as perfect as one can get. I hope this inspired Bob to carry on. He wont be disappointed. I had more fun and satisfaction putting that beautiful piece of Farm Iron together than I've had in years working/racing cars. What can I say for a true blue city boy :-) Next project? 560 gas coming soon to this Detroit suburb boating community :-) Carry on Bob, do it right and you'll love it!

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Paul G. in Mn

09-12-2006 13:58:32




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 Re: Painting an M in reply to BOBM25, 09-12-2006 10:04:56  
This is what I did on my F-20. It had been repainted at one time and was flakeing badly so I first took off the hood, gas tank, Radiator belts and hoses. then I ran it outside and sprayed oven cleaner over all the painted surfaces and let it sit for about 15 mins then got out the pressure washer and hit it. Took alot of the paint off. I didnt use a real high pressure unit so didnt have to worry about wrecking gaskets. After I was done I let it dry and started wire brushing. Took quiet a while and a few different size brushes but got it done. after I was done brushing I gave a coat of primer to what I had done because it was a weekend prodjet and didnt want the bare metel rusting till I could get back to it. once all was bushed and primed I gave a little paint under the radiator before reinstalling it. I left the hood, gas tank, manifold, tires and rims, magneto, and carb off and painted everything else in one shot. I painted the gas tank, hood, carb, and a few other small parts at the same time then reassemble everything when done. I am very happy with the outcome and am going to do my M is the same mater except I dont need to use the oven cleaner because it never was repainted

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El Toro

09-12-2006 13:39:27




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 Re: Painting an M in reply to BOBM25, 09-12-2006 10:04:56  
If you want to see a couple of IH tractors that were sandblasted and then painted with Martin Senour's Cross Fire paint send me an email.

They probably looked better than when they were new. Hal



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glennster

09-12-2006 13:18:00




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 Re: Painting an M in reply to BOBM25, 09-12-2006 10:04:56  
i am not much of a fan of sandblsting. it gets everywhere. i use various wire brushes on air grinders to get in the tight spots. i prefer to split the tractor when i paint them. i do the motor seperate. its a good time to put seals in the belly pump and the trans input shafts ect. for the sheet metal i like to have them soda blasted. it is less aggresive and doesnt warp the metal like a sand blaster does. you can have the tractor soda blasted also. it is just baking soda so it doesnt hurt as much if it gets near bearings ect. your primer will depend on the paint products you use. dont mix and match different product lines. automotive paints are very pricey but they have the best results if applied correctly. i painted one m with the big r brand tractor paint with the valspar hardener. for the money it is a decent paint with good results. preparation is the key to a good paint job, get it clean and prepped, use a pre cleano, prep sol or final wash product just prior to application of primer or color, be sure to tack rag off. use disposable rubber gloves when using the pre clean products and dont touch the tractor with bare hands after. the oil on your hands will cause fisheyes and adhesion problems. good luck!

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Mike CA

09-12-2006 13:17:18




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 Re: Painting an M in reply to BOBM25, 09-12-2006 10:04:56  
I can tell you what I plan to do. I am building a show tractor. So the paint is a top priority for me. I am taking the old boy apart down to the frame rails, I'm going to sand blast everything. I am going to primer everything. And then I'm going to paint it in pieces. I'm probably going to do 2 or 3 coats on everything. And on the tin, and other smooth surfaces I am going to spray at least coats of clear. (Not sure if I am going to shoot the clear before or after the decals) Anyway, then I am going to reassemble the tractor and touch up as necessary.

But I am quite aware that I am in a huge minority when it comes to goals of painting.

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SuperA-Tx

09-12-2006 12:49:26




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 Re: Painting an M in reply to BOBM25, 09-12-2006 10:04:56  
Since I have done almost half my tractor let me give you my "expert" advise.

I started out not wanting to take anything apart, just sand a little and paint and be done with it. Im pretty picky so I couldnt just let it go and so took at all apart, you wouldnt belive all the crud and dirt and gunk stuck between the fenders and every place else.

Sand blasted everything, used bondo to fill in rusted spots, new bolts where needed, and then primed everything with a brush and one coat of paint which I also brushed on with a foam brush. I dont think the cast metal matters much where you brush it or spray it but I wished I had sprayed the paint on the fenders, battery box, and other sheet metal.

Got it all put back together (from the battery box back) but you cant help but getting scratches and the paint always comes off the bolt heads. But that is OK because I had planned all along to go over everything with a fine grain sand paper and spary the final coat over it.

I dont think my way is expert but better than a good wash and then painting.

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Nebraska Cowman

09-12-2006 10:15:13




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 Re: Painting an M in reply to BOBM25, 09-12-2006 10:04:56  
I probably havn't painted more than 50 tractors in my life so maybe I'm not the guy to ask. You will never get a nice job unless you get ALL the paint off the hood and fuel tank. I don't take the tank off but like the hood off. IH didn't mask much. I use gun grease on the headlight lenses and gauge glass. IH never used primer and neither do I, just squirt the red. I think sandblasting is a waste of time. Clean engine with kerosene, followed by your favorite degreaser and LOTS of water. A little wirebrushing on castings to knock the loose stuff of should be all you need.

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