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July

09-05-2006 23:50:13




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hi! I was wondering what makes IH better then other makes in your opinions. Thank you july




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David Kronwall

09-07-2006 03:39:50




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 Re: IH vs others in reply to July, 09-05-2006 23:50:13  
July...I agree with what Billy and several others have said--a lot of it is what you grew up on. The first tractor I ever drove was a '44 H on my grandfather's farm. We pulled a 2-bottom plow, a 7-foot disk and a 4-section drag for preparing corn seedbeds. Grandpa's "second" tractor was a Massey 44. His neighbors across the road had Allis-Chalmers. Other friends had Oliver and another had a John Deere putt-putt. As a high school boy working summers, I drove them all. And I have a soft spot for them all. But for me, RED is the best of them all. I love the sound when it fires up and when the governor kicks in under load. And the looks, well, is there anything prettier than a Farmall H or M? Not in my book. David

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Jim Lockhart

09-06-2006 22:03:04




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 Re: IH vs others in reply to July, 09-05-2006 23:50:13  
"Why farm half...When you can FARMALL"



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BillyinStoughton

09-06-2006 13:41:28




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 Re: IH vs others in reply to July, 09-05-2006 23:50:13  
It"s all about what you grew up on. Grandpa had lots of Fords on the farm, but I always liked the view from the top of a letter series Farmall (it was different from what I was use to seeing on the N series Fords). Harvested lots of tobacco with Farmalls running loads to the shed all day long. The look of the tractors and the droan of those overhead valve four cylinders pluggin" away just kind of paints a picture of what a tractor "should be".

I like all tractors...even the green ones...but as an Old Timer I know says:

"Green is for pastures and boogers. Red is for tractors and firetrucks."

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Jimmy King

09-06-2006 13:09:50




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 Re: IH vs others in reply to July, 09-05-2006 23:50:13  
I don't know that IH was any better than the others. My Granddad bought a Regular in 1929 new, traded it for an H in 1939, An uncle bought a B in the forties. The local dealer was 2 miles away the closest compition 20 miles away, Alis, J D, Case, Oliver, MM, Ford and another IH all in Springfield, MO.



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Buzzman72

09-06-2006 09:26:58




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 Re: IH vs others in reply to July, 09-05-2006 23:50:13  
In my opinion, the engines were the primary difference. Ever have to service that "cocoanut" distributor on a 9N? Ever have to adjust the adjustable tappets on a late 8N? The Farmalls took no "hoodoo-voodoo" crap to make them run or keep them running. Dad and Grand-Dad were dealers from 1941 into the 1960's, and Dad had a lot of respect for the quality of Allis-Chalmers, the Case Eagle-Claw hitch, and even some grudging respect for the Ford 3-point.

That said, Dad didn't like IH's diesels of the era, most of which were the "conversion" diesels that started on gas. But Dad always liked them a lot better than any of the 2-cylinder Deeres.

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sd pete

09-06-2006 09:01:52




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 Re: IH vs others in reply to July, 09-05-2006 23:50:13  
I grew up with them. I started driving H's when i was 9 years old so i dont know any better.



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Dave 2n

09-06-2006 08:16:33




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 Re: IH vs others in reply to July, 09-05-2006 23:50:13  
What's better? Chevy/GMC, Dodge or Ford?

I'm PARTIAL to Farmalls because I grew up on a Farmall M. And I do happen to think that they are the greatest looking of all the tractors. Now-I have some JD's, Fords, an A-C and an M-M, too/

BUT-I've never seen an old tractor I didn't like!



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Mike CA

09-06-2006 08:00:38




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 Re: IH vs others in reply to July, 09-05-2006 23:50:13  
I'm not a farmer, so I don't base my opinion on performance. It's all about "the look" of the tractor for me. Maybe it's like Cowan said... the red paint. But for me it's more. I don't know why my grandfather bought Farmall over any other. But I do know that the look of the tractor stuck with me. When I started realizing I wanted to get one to restore, I had no idea what model or year he had. But I knew what it looked like in my head. Turns out it was a late '40's H. So that's what I got to restore.

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Steven@AZ

09-06-2006 07:45:12




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 Re: IH vs others in reply to July, 09-05-2006 23:50:13  
I know my Dad wanted to get into a JD tractor in the late 70's... they didn't want his IH 806 as a trade-in, so he went across the street to IH and bought a demo 1086 with 200 hours on it cheaper than the JD would have been with a trade-in! Still have the 1086, neighbor ended up with the 4430 and had trouble with it plus couldn't pull as much as us.

What has kept me in IH? I like the styling of the letter series, and they are still reasonably useful on the farm.

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Janicholson

09-06-2006 07:40:20




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 Re: IH vs others in reply to July, 09-05-2006 23:50:13  
Four things (in My opinion):
1) The position of the operator and the relationship to the controls is as reasonable for the times as possible, and way better than most.
2) They were easy to repair and needed repair very rarely.
3) Direct "meaty" styling that gave even the cub a presence without frills and trashy badges.
4) They turned better under load with the wide angle swinging drawbar and center pull point.
Their HP and efficiency were in the same league as the best other brands. JimN

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markloff

09-06-2006 16:17:08




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 Re: IH vs others in reply to Janicholson, 09-06-2006 07:40:20  
In addition to Janicholson,

5) Fastest road speed of any high production tractor
6) Five speed transmission
7) Only diesel that can be started with a hand crank
8) Was easier to meet good looking women as opposed to driving a Deere



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Andy Martin

09-06-2006 05:26:08




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 Re: IH vs others in reply to July, 09-05-2006 23:50:13  
My grandpa had an H and an M. My dad had an M.

I like them because they sit up high and out of the dust and debris.

Technically, Allis Chalmers was probably the best tractor in the thirties and forties. They definitely had the best implements.

All the manufacturers in the twenties were just trying to make practical tractors. In the thirties they were trying to make them reliable. The engineers designing the farm tractors in the thirties had the same education as those designing the Duesenberg, Cord, B-17, V-16 Cadillac, etc. They are not low-tech. The move from a fuel pump on the F series to gravity with updraft carburetor on the letter series was an improvement I still appreciate every time I don't have to check for a bad fuel pump.

You won't find a tractor designed in the thirties which had short cuts taken to make it cheaper. In the forties all the effort was going into increasing production. In the fifties the thrust was more horsepower and labor saving attachments for productivity.

In the sixties cost savings crept in along with greater horsepower, and the cost savings took precedence in the seventies.

I bale hay with M's and H's and they are still very reliable. We had a breakdown yesterday. Finally tracked it down to a broken spring on the points. I don't replace points just for exercise, but I guess these had gotten so old the spring fatigued in two. They probably have five years or more use and the tractor was still running well but getting a little slow to start, I'd been meaning to adjust the points.

But all the tractors from the thirties (when the letter series Farmall's were designed) have similar reliability. The John Deeres are a bit out of step because you hardly ever see anyone actually farming with a two cylinder but even they are still reliable.

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Nebraska Cowman

09-06-2006 05:01:02




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 Re: IH vs others in reply to July, 09-05-2006 23:50:13  
I never thought they were better. I just like them better. Maybe it's the red paint?
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Hugh MacKay

09-06-2006 02:53:02




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 Re: IH vs others in reply to July, 09-05-2006 23:50:13  
A tractor is only as good a the home town dealer support you have. I've been around for 64 years now, have operated everything from a Farmall Cub to the big articulateds at close to 400 hp, in just about every make. I've yet to see the perfect tractor, it hasn't been built yet in my opinion. I think manufacturers were actually closer to building the perfect tractor 20 years ago than they are today.

30 years ago IH found itself in trouble, mainly because they weren't listening to their customers. Truth is, they were only ahead of their time, today none of the tractor manufacturers are listening to their customers. They just hire PR folks to convince us what they build is best for us.

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steveormary

09-06-2006 10:17:38




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 Re: IH vs others in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-06-2006 02:53:02  
We went with IH because a dealer was just down the road from us. And they were good people to deal with.

Otherwise I really have no favorites any more.
If they run good and do the job asked of them that is about all that is needed.

steveormary



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magman

09-06-2006 15:22:51




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 Re: IH vs others in reply to steveormary, 09-06-2006 10:17:38  
Its kind of funny we had a JD dealer about 5 miles away, we had an AC dealer about two miles away. But all the farmers in my area picked the Ih Hs and Ms with the delaer about 35 miles away. Those old timers must have known something. And thats what I grew up on and I two have run all kinds and sizes on farms but I will come home and piddle with my Hs every time I get a chance. JON

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Hugh MacKay

09-06-2006 20:22:59




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 Re: IH vs others in reply to magman, 09-06-2006 15:22:51  
AHhhhh, but Jon; you didn't mention Oliver, Cockshutt and Massey Harris, all using 6 cylinders before the rest. I'll grant you it did take Deere a wee bit longer than the balance of the rest of the pack. However, when Deere did catch on, they've done one heck of a job marketing everyone else's first and good ideas.

Look at the list, then look at a modern Deere. Oliver's 6 cylinder, Cockshutt's IPTO, IH's TA, Ford's select o speed, Ferguson's 3 point hitch, Allis's turbo, etc., etc. This is only a partial list, I've seen one twice as long, just don't remember it.

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