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'46 H won't run past 5 minutes

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Mike CA

09-05-2006 09:03:50




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So... finally got to my H. I wanted to drive him for the first time, but first things first. My Brother In Law who picked it up said they could get it started and run long enough to get on and off the trailor. But it would die after about 5 minutes. Now, before I get into everything, let me tell you my goal. I want to get the tractor running so I can drive it around the field since I have never driven it. Then I want to drive it onto a trailor, and then off the trailor and into my garage when I get home. There I am going to tear it apart, replace the 12v for a 6v, and rebuild everything. So I need ducttape kind of fixes, so as to save money for the big fix.

So... first thing I did was replace the terminal clamps to the 12v battery because one was broke. (it was Jerry rigged on) But that had nothing to do with the problem. There is no air filter hose, so we sprayed starting fluid in the carb and cranked it. It puttered and tried for a while, but wouldn't turn over. Finally after messing with the fuel shut off and tapping just about everything, we got it to crank up and run. (It sounds pretty good I guess. Like something out of Willy Wonka) So we just let it idol, and moved the throttle up a small chunk at a time. The oil pressure seemed good. The gauge showed about 3/4 to the right side. Not sure about heat because it never registered. I guess the guage is broke. Tank is about 1/3 full, but I don't have a clue how old that fuel is. We would have to shut the fuel off, and turn it back on back and forth to keep the carb from flooding out. But even doing that the engine would just slow down then stop after about 5 minutes. Then we couldn't get it to start again. We found the Solenoid was broken away from it's base. So we are guessing that it wasn't getting it's ground. So we concentrated on that and got it to start cranking again. And that's where we left it, thinking that the Solenoid was bad.
Now, I know the Carb is all kinds of screwed up. So I am going to either get a replacement, or just wait to rebuild it. I was also planning on getting a new cheap solenoid... Well, cheap if it's only for the 12v conversion. I'm looking for other ideas of stuff I can try to get it running past 5 minutes.

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Patrick in Illinois

09-05-2006 20:29:59




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 Re: '46 H won't run past 5 minutes in reply to Mike CA, 09-05-2006 09:03:50  
Get the carb rebuilt...you'll need to anyway. Solved the same problem on my super C. Replace the sediment bowl assembly....you'll need one anyway. Get some new gas in that thing. And most importantly, familiarize yourself with each component and its function. Get a Operators Manual. Just my advice,some of which was given on this wonderful site. Patrick



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Javp20

09-05-2006 12:04:57




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 Re: '46 H won't run past 5 minutes in reply to Mike CA, 09-05-2006 09:03:50  
I once had a small bug(fly) stuck in the hole at the bottom of my fuel tank. The tractor would run great for a few minutes, then as the fuel was burned in the carb, it would begin to sputter, couldn't pull itself, etc. I removed the glass bowl under the tank and noticed only a small trickle of fuel coming out so I removed the whole fuel shutoff and found the bug blocking the fuel flow! Just one more thing to check. Good luck.

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arod

09-05-2006 11:43:26




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 Re: '46 H won't run past 5 minutes in reply to Mike CA, 09-05-2006 09:03:50  
sounds like the float is perhaps stuck, or a plugged filter on the carb inlet, allowing only a trickle of gas to fill the bowl, and as the tractor runs it is emptying the bowl faster than the gasoline is able to refill.

The other cause would be a bad coil, it is getting hot and failing. Just replace. Any coil will work, just go to napa and ask for a simple 12 volt coil for a 1980 or so ford pickup.

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RustyFarmall

09-05-2006 10:25:27




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 Re: '46 H won't run past 5 minutes in reply to Mike CA, 09-05-2006 09:03:50  
Mike, send me an e-mail when you get the chance. We can cure that carburetor.



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Mike CA

09-05-2006 10:29:42




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 Re: '46 H won't run past 5 minutes in reply to RustyFarmall, 09-05-2006 10:25:27  
sent :-)



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Janicholson

09-05-2006 10:16:14




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 Re: '46 H won't run past 5 minutes in reply to Mike CA, 09-05-2006 09:03:50  
I think the coil may be going bad. Put a different coil with a ballast resistor on it, and see if it fixes the problem. If the original coil (6v) is being used, it needs to have a resistor in series with it. If it has none, it may be dammaged, and heating up an failing. Good luck, JimN



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Mike CA

09-05-2006 10:20:48




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 Re: '46 H won't run past 5 minutes in reply to Janicholson, 09-05-2006 10:16:14  
and the coil is... ?

What and Where?



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Nat 2

09-05-2006 13:45:42




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 Re: '46 H won't run past 5 minutes in reply to Mike CA, 09-05-2006 10:20:48  
I know someone's going to get on my case for saying this, but it needs to be said, and it is being said with all due respect and sincerity:

Mike, you really need to sit down and build up some "book smarts" about the basic components of your new tractor before you start tearing into it, or even trying to get it to run for more than 5 minutes at a time. You need to be able to locate and identify simple things like the carburetor, sediment bowl, air cleaner, distributor, distributor cap, points, coil, condensor. Otherwise, you're liable to get yourself into trouble... "Say, what's this electrical thingy?" ZZZZZ ZZOT! "Do I smell gas?" ZZOTT! PISHHHH! WWWWWOOOOOFFFFF! if you get my drift :(

When you have to ask what a coil is and where it is on the tractor, that's scary to me. It means you're "playing with magic you don't understand," and I really, sincerely do not want to see you or the tractor get hurt.

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Janicholson

09-05-2006 10:50:04




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 Re: '46 H won't run past 5 minutes in reply to Mike CA, 09-05-2006 10:20:48  
Sorry, I'm making assumptions.
On the side opposite the carb, there is a (usually) black or grey cap with five wires comming out of it. That whole thing, including the red part, is the distributor (or magneto if so equipped) If it is a distributor, the center fat wire comming out of the cap goes to a round cylinder shaped object mounted (usually) above the disributor. It will be about 2" in diameter and 4 to 6 inche long. It will have three wires connected. The fat one described above, and two smaller wires. One will go to the distributor below and attach to the side, the other will go to a resistor Small device with two terminals about the size of a bic lighter, from there, it goes to the ignition switch (push pull button on the elect. box at the operators platform. The proper connection for the coil(if it has an alternator from a car in it) is for the positive "+" side to connect to the resistor, and the negative side to be connected to the distributor.

If it is a Magneto ign, there will be no coil on top, it will be built into the unit and appear as a hump on the top.

If it has no ballast resistor, and it is 12v, it needs one in most cases. a resistor from a 57 chevrolet will work well and is cheap. There are many posts on ballast resistore in the archives. The diagrams from Bob M are also indispensible. Look them up and enjoy. Jimn

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Nebraska Cowman

09-05-2006 09:49:35




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 Re: '46 H won't run past 5 minutes in reply to Mike CA, 09-05-2006 09:03:50  
I have a bucket with a hose on it so I can bypass the fuel tank. I have even dribbled gas in the carb inlet to get one to run when the carb is shot. Call me the champion jerry rig but I can make them run.



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Mike CA

09-05-2006 10:19:47




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 Re: '46 H won't run past 5 minutes in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 09-05-2006 09:49:35  
Well, you just had surgery, so I'm not flying you out to CA.



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neblinc

09-05-2006 09:47:32




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 Re: '46 H won't run past 5 minutes in reply to Mike CA, 09-05-2006 09:03:50  
Stuck float? Try tapping on the carb lightly, it may ne all gummed up inside the carb.

Randy



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