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Tom (the old gu

09-02-2006 08:56:54




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Just finished installing a 12 volt conversion on Dads 51 "M". A one wire system. Works great except when you pull the switch "on" amp. meter says charge and when it's running it says discharge. Wire goes from alternator to + side of the amp. meter just as the instructions say.---I had to go to the Isaly's in New Wilmington and get a big black coffee and a donut to calm down. WHY is this hapening. Am I to asume the battery is beeing charged???? Thanks TOM (the old guy )

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John T

09-02-2006 14:07:28




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 Re: M 12 volt conversion in reply to Tom (the old guy ), 09-02-2006 08:56:54  
Tom, Instead of any + or - ammeter labels, the way I describe ammeter wiring to people is:

The ammeters SUPPLY side terminal has but ONE WIRE and thats to the hot ungrounded battery post often via a connection to where the big battery cable attaches to the starter switch or solenoid

The ammeters other LOAD side terminal is what wires to the alternators output PLUS feeds alllll loads like lights n ignition often via a wire from the ammeters Load terminal to the BAT input terminals on those switches.

If its wired correct if you turn the lights or ignition on engine NOT running the ammeter should swing over to - discharge but then when running if shes wired right and the alternator works, it should swing over to + charge IF IT DOES JUST THE OPPOSITE OF THAT SIMPLY SWAP LEADS

If a voltmeter is placed on the battery engine not running if good n charged it ought to read around 12.6 volts, but then when running fast if shes charging it ought to rise to the 13 and 14 and a lil over range.

Ought to be a piece of cake

Best wishes n God Bless

John T

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Tom(the old guy)

09-02-2006 11:43:18




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 Re: M 12 volt conversion in reply to Tom (the old guy ), 09-02-2006 08:56:54  
OK--Alternator wire, wire to starter switch(battery side) on negative side of ameter. Others on positive. Took a few rpms to get the alternator to charge. Goes full charge and stays there. Won't that overcharge the battery.



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Bob

09-02-2006 12:09:38




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 Re: M 12 volt conversion in reply to Tom(the old guy), 09-02-2006 11:43:18  
Let's try this again...

Wire to starter switch (battery side) ALONE on one side of ammeter. JUST THE ONE WIRE ON THAT POST.


Wire from alternator, and ALL electrical loads to the other post of the ammeter.


Then, you need to watch the battery VOLTAGE.

If it is over 15.5 Volts, you have a regulator problem.

If it is low (less than 14.5 Volts, or so), and the alternator is still charging heavily, it points to a bad battery (shorted cell).

Also, you say "it goes to full charge"... is that on an original 15-0-15 or 20-0-20 Amp ammeter, or a replacement 60-0-60 Amp ammeter?

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Tom ( the old guy)

09-02-2006 13:08:43




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 Re: M 12 volt conversion in reply to Bob, 09-02-2006 12:09:38  
Ampmeter is original on tractor. Going back and make sure it's wired as you say. Can't remember. Thanks.



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Bob

09-02-2006 09:38:44




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 Re: M 12 volt conversion in reply to Tom (the old guy ), 09-02-2006 08:56:54  
The lead from the starter switch (battery) goes to one side of the ammeter, and the alternator and ALL electrical loads connect to the other side.

If it reads backwards (CHARGE with the engine not running), simply swap the wires between the two ammeter posts.

Verify that the alternator is doing it's job by checking the voltage at the battery after it has run and charged a while. You are looking for 14.5 to 15.5 Volts.

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Tom ( the old guy )

09-02-2006 10:56:07




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 Re: M 12 volt conversion in reply to Bob, 09-02-2006 09:38:44  
Was thinking of swiching the wires, but not beeing an electrical person scared me. OK will go try that. Thanks Guys.



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Dan Bear Kelley

09-02-2006 09:16:59




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 Re: M 12 volt conversion in reply to Tom (the old guy ), 09-02-2006 08:56:54  
One-wire alternators have a trick to them. They usually take a little bit to get started. I have one on my Jeep, and it takes some RPMs for it to kick in. Once it kicks in, it stays kicked in even down to idle.
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I have a converted GM alternator (self exciting voltage regulator) on my Farmall M, and I have a trick with that one, too. There are two terminals that still exist on the voltage regulator, but don't necessarily need to be used on this conversion. If you short both of them to + for a moment or two, the alternator will kick in and then stay kicked in. The instructions that came with the regulator said I needed to do that for the first use, but it still works well for the rest of the time.
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Caution though, my father in law did not know what he was doing and wired these both to + permanently. What happened was the alternator just put out so much juice that it boiled the battery.
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My advice. Try a few RPMs. Then if that doesn't work, see if there is another way to trip your alternator into running.

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