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Fire craters are cheaper?.

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Jonfarmer

08-30-2006 12:27:17




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Hey guys, still trying to progress on my H. I got 1 bad piston and sleeve, I called Case IH today and tried to see if I could get just the one piston and sleeve and I found out they don't sell them individually and I would have to order the whole set for $300, so it looks like thats what I will do. How come these fire craters are cheaper than the flat topped ones?, seems to me that the stepped head pistons would be more expensive to make and also more desirable since they make more power so shouldn't it be the other way around?. Is the life expectancy shorter for fire crater equipped engine?. Does the stepped head pistons hurt the lugging ability?.
Thanks once again YTMAG community!,

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Steven@AZ

08-31-2006 07:49:44




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 Re: Fire craters are cheaper?. in reply to Jonfarmer, 08-30-2006 12:27:17  
Just a comment: the IH firecrater and M&W turbo-dome pistons are different!

Firecrater:
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M&W Turbodome:
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Too Far Gone

08-30-2006 16:50:40




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 Re: Fire craters are cheaper?. in reply to Jonfarmer, 08-30-2006 12:27:17  
I bought a new set of M&W Pistons for a 5-3/4 stroker in an M from Volbrachts last year,which I now want to sell new in the box.



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MAGMAN

08-30-2006 13:46:58




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 Re: Fire craters are cheaper?. in reply to Jonfarmer, 08-30-2006 12:27:17  
I can sell you a fire crator type piston from aftermarket. I did not see alot of difference between my M&Ws and these for about $75.00 a hole includes piston rings and sleeve,
So It wont be exactly the same as a stock IH fire crator but maybe you can ask some of the others on the board if it would make a big difference. JON



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Jonfarmer

08-30-2006 16:14:13




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 Re: Fire craters are cheaper?. in reply to MAGMAN, 08-30-2006 13:46:58  
Is M&W still around?. Hey, I wonder if maybe what I got aren't truely IH firecraters since I gave my Case IH parts man the part numbers on the pistons, and he said they didn't match the firecrater part numbers. I didn't know there was others out there beside IH firecrater for special "hotrod" pistons.



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MAGMAN

08-30-2006 17:29:12




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 Re: Fire craters are cheaper?. in reply to Jonfarmer, 08-30-2006 16:14:13  
Yes M&W was probly the bigest power supplyer in the 60s they had a kit that would make 90 HP in an M I am told and could be run on the farm. COOL. But no they were bought out along time ago by sealed power or sealrpower or something like that and the only way you will find them is by NOS.
SORRY. JON



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randy hall

08-30-2006 18:56:30




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 Re: Fire craters are cheaper?. in reply to MAGMAN, 08-30-2006 17:29:12  
magman, the m+w stroker kit for an 'm' made 65 horse and the one with the 4 1/4 bore and m+w crank for the 450's made 70+. are you a dealer for howard enterprises? that's where i get my kits that i sell, they are fire crater lookalikes. made in the good old usa not china.



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MAGMAN

08-30-2006 19:05:55




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 Re: Fire craters are cheaper?. in reply to randy hall, 08-30-2006 18:56:30  
SO a 90 HP M in the 60 or 70s was a real stretch huh, I had two different dealers an IH and an AC both said that 90 HP thing Oh Well there is another one where you dont always get the right info on what you hear. LOL No actually I am an A&I dealer. I thought I had a pic somewhere of my pistons but changed PCs and cant find the darn thing and its been about 6 or 7 years since I had the M&Ws out of the H and cant really remember whe=at they looked like exactly eother. My SM has 4" fire crators and it only been 2 years since I had the head off that one and cant remember that one either. I guess its that Cant remember Sh%$ diese. Thats hitting me But From what I remember there was like two Rounded humps on the A&I pistons that I got for the H but could be wrong on that too. He He He I might as well give up now before I get to far behind my self. JON

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Tom Windsor

08-30-2006 12:51:49




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 Re: Fire craters are cheaper?. in reply to Jonfarmer, 08-30-2006 12:27:17  
I called a local dealer today and he told me $240.00 per hole!!!!!

The fire crater pistons are more expensive than the flat ones. Contact the magman and get a quote from him.



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El Toro

08-30-2006 16:26:25




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 Re: Fire craters are cheaper?. in reply to Tom Windsor, 08-30-2006 12:51:49  
You can get a stepped head sleeve and piston set of 4 for $348.00 from this forum and it includes the gasket set. Its an overbore kit too with 3 7/16" pistons. Hal



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Jonfarmer

08-30-2006 16:06:16




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 Re: Fire craters are cheaper?. in reply to Tom Windsor, 08-30-2006 12:51:49  
My Case IH dealer quoted me $299 for all 4 pistons, rings, and sleeves, $74.72 for main bearings, and $59.76 for the rod bearings. I could rebuild the whole engine for $433.48 plus tax and I didn't price a gasket set, which should run around another $110. I am debating wheither I should just rebuild the whole thing or not, I really hate to drop $500 in this engine right now, but I have already been though the experience of a catastrophic engine failure, which resulted in a windowed block, so I am kinda nervous about doing only half a job while I got it all torn down. If I knew for sure it needed it, well ok then, but if it doesn't, I really don't have the money to waste.

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D Slater

08-30-2006 18:45:59




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 Re: Fire craters are cheaper?. in reply to Jonfarmer, 08-30-2006 16:06:16  
Just looked at a dealer web site, they show sleeve set 374312 R93. This is what you have, the reason your piston # is different is because its just the piston # and the 374312 R93 is for sleeve,piston,piston pin,retainers and rings. Shows you need 4 for set, so looks like you can buy one hole at time. Bad news $235.50 a hole.



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