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Follow up Question to John T. Nordhoff in Indiana

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Grantique

08-28-2006 04:45:15




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Good Morning John T.

This a follow up question to you on your excellant test procedure for tractor generators with cutouts and VR. I have a Farmall Super A with a rebuilt Generator, new Voltage Regulator, and new meter. I have a Farmall H with a cutout. I am focusing on the H first. From my previous post I am having problems seeing and charging on my ammeter for my Farmall H. The generator is rebuilt. The ammeter is new. The tractor has a cutout that is a few years old. Here are my findings from the good instructions you gave me. I have 6.05 Volts on each side of the ammeter. I have 6.05 Volts at the BAT terminal on the cutout. When I start the tractor I have 5.85 Volts on the ammeter and am showing a slight negative discharge. I have 5.85 Volts on the BAT terminal on the cutout. If I touch the Generator ARM post I read 7.5 to 8.0 Volts with the tractor running. When I jumper the BAT and GEN terminals on the cutout together my BAT terminal on the cutout reads 5.85 again. I am particularly interested in you reference to the Field wire going to the light switch. I have added ground wires to the generator housing and the light switch. I don't understand what is going on at/in the light switch. Can you give me some advise on what is going on. Also, the tractor lights do not change intensity when I rev up the engine but the ammeter goes negative by several amps. Thanks for your help. Repectfully - Larry (Grantique)

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John T

08-28-2006 06:34:58




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 Re: Follow up Question to John T. Nordhoff in Indi in reply to Grantique, 08-28-2006 04:45:15  
Grantique, A genny operates from rotation of a coil of wire (the armature) inside an electromagnetic field (the Field). The electromagnetic Field gets its energy and creates magnetism by passing current through the Field windings which terminates at the gennys external Field post buttttt ttttt there needs to be a current return path from the Field post to frame ground for field current to flow and the more current the greater the electromagnetic field strength and the more the genny pumps out.

Sooooo oo to regulate whether the gennys is max charging (Field post dead grounded) or low charging (field grounded via a resistor) the combination light switch with charging control switch is used. The gennys Field post is wired up to that light switch and when in Max charge it simply dead grounds the field to frame, but in low charge it grounds via a series resistor on the switch.

Therefore, if you dead ground the gennys Field post she should max charge. If when running if you dead ground it she charges but DOES NOT OTHERWISE then the problems EITHER the wires bad/open from the gennys Field post up to the switch,,,,, ,,,,, , orrrrr rrrrr the switch is bad orrrrr rrr,,,,, ,,,,, the switch has a poor frame ground connection. If she still dont charge even with a dead grounded Field post leave it grounded n by pass jump around the cutout relay (connects it BAT and GEN terminals together) n see if she charges then in case the cutout relay is bad and isnt closing as it should?????

You ought to polarize that new genny FIRST have you done that????? ?? If you momentarily flash jump across the cutout relay (hook its BAT and GEN) together you ought to get a small spark. To be safe go ahead n dead ground the gennys Field post first in case it isnt getitng a good ground otherwise, it needs a ground so you get that lil spark when you polarize.

Sooooo ooo if shes charging the battery voltage should rise from approx 6.3 volts (good battery) when setting up to 6.5 to 7 or so volts at wide open running with a good charging system and the lights get noticeably brighter from idle to wide open. The unloaded open voltage on a genny dont really tell you all that much regardless how much it rises THE REAL TEST is what happens when attached to a load like the battery and if it causes the battery voltage to rise somwehat cuz its pumping current into (charging) versus drawign current out of (discharging) the battery.

The Normally Open cutout relay is supposed to close once the gennys output voltage exceeds battery voltage so the gennys outoput can get to n charge the battery but open otherwise like when shes shut down so the battery dotn reverse discharge through the genny.

Sooooo o see what happens if she running and you dead ground the gennys Field post????? ? If she charges then look for a bad wire from the gennys Field post up to the switch or the switch isnt well grounded or its simply baddddd d. Both the genny and cutout relay needs a good ground adn that combo light switch needs a good ground also plus the belt be tight and a good battery capable of accepting a charge. A bad batetry with a bad cell may not charge and even drag down the gennys output so be sure its good also. That 6.05 reading concerns me a lil cuz a good batetry ougth to read 6.3 volts sitting there!!!!! ! if its bad it may not take a charge !!!!! !!

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John T

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Brownie 45

08-28-2006 05:00:57




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 Re: Follow up Question to John T. Nordhoff in Indi in reply to Grantique, 08-28-2006 04:45:15  
From what you are saying, there is an open connection or a bad resistor at the light switch. See if you can determine by looking at the resistors in the light switch box if one is open[ shows an open winding]. Look for a bad/ rusted connection on the wire coming from the field on the generator.



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