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JayWalt

08-27-2006 21:46:58




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Uhmmm.. to the best of my knowledge, all gas engines were machined with the cylinder walls being part of the block. I keep hearing about sleeves? Are these for the gas engines, particulalrly the 169ci engines? Does anyone have links to pics of how these go in? I'm just really curious. I'm only 26, so ever since I was little manufacturers, at least automotives have been sleeveless. I know diesels still are sleeved. My true hobby (from which this new forming hobby was spawned) is R/C Nitro trucks/buggies/cars. These nitro engines are sleeved, and the sleeves are kept from rotating with a little dowel pin and the head fits inside of the top of the sleeve. Any info, pics, links to help me better understand the sleevd design would be awesome!!

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Andy Martin

08-28-2006 07:51:42




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 Re: Sleeves? in reply to JayWalt, 08-27-2006 21:46:58  
In answer to your question, they are pressed in for dry sleeves, with a lip at the top which the head gasket seals against.

Wet sleeves have o-rings to seal the coolant. Farmall A, B, and C have wet sleeves.

A sleeved farm engine is designed to allow on the farm full overhaul. All wear parts are replaced with no need for a machine shop.



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Jim Allen

08-28-2006 05:48:27




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 Re: Sleeves? in reply to JayWalt, 08-27-2006 21:46:58  
I learned about high nickel blocks when working at a California state park. The mainteneance schedules called for a coolant flush at a certain time. Our International "Loadstar" fire truck came due and I found that the previous mechanic had signed off but not done the previous flush. A normal iron block will turn the water red. The high nickel block will turn the water black, as did the industrial 392 V8 in the fire truck. It was kinda shocking to see until I figured out what was going on.

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Hugh MacKay

08-28-2006 01:09:56




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 Re: Sleeves? in reply to JayWalt, 08-27-2006 21:46:58  
Jay: Probably 75% or more of all gas engine farm tractors ever built had sleeves. For example all IH gas tractors with exception of Cubs, from 1939 through to 1963 had sleeves. I'm thinking IH always used sleeves going way back to the early 1900, however I'm not up to date on those oldies.

IH put a non sleeved C-153 in the 504 in 1963. That was the beginning of the end of sleeves in gas engines for them. It was also the beginning of the end of gas engines in IH tractors. Europe went diesel in the 50s. By the mid 60s Canada and Austrailia were 90% diesel. Since coming to YT, one of the things I find hard to believe, is the numbers of 60s, 70s and 80s gas tractors in the USA, particularly larger 6 cylinder tractors. I've only ever seen one 6 cylinder gas Farmall in my entire life, and IH started using those in 1958. I've seen thousands of 6 cylinder IH diesels, bought my first one in 1962.

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Allan In NE

08-28-2006 06:33:14




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 Re: Sleeves? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 08-28-2006 01:09:56  
Same way here.

I had "heard of" the gassers, but had never owned one.

Bought one of the silly things. Nice, fun little tractor, but having a hard time trying to get it weined from the fuel barrel.

Never again. Farm tractors and gas just don't mix in my humble opinion. :>)

Allan



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billde

08-28-2006 15:57:06




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 Re: Sleeves? in reply to Allan In NE, 08-28-2006 06:33:14  
Allan, if gas prices were the same as they were when I started driving the old gassers you wouldn't care how much they burn. If memory serves me correctly it was about 15 cents a gallon off the truck. Times do change!



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MN Scott

08-28-2006 06:24:57




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 Re: Sleeves? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 08-28-2006 01:09:56  
The C301 used in 806, 826, 856, and all of the combine gas engines were of a sleeveless design to.



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F-20

08-28-2006 05:44:17




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 Re: Sleeves? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 08-28-2006 01:09:56  
Most of the F Series and the W series tractors had "Wet" sleeves -- the sleeves were surrounded by cooling water.



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Bob

08-27-2006 22:14:10




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 Re: Sleeves? in reply to JayWalt, 08-27-2006 21:46:58  
Interesting facts... Subaru (gasoline) car engines used removable wet sleeves in the 1970's. (I don't know about later models.)

The venerable 5.9 Cummins used in the Dodge pickups is a "parent bore" (no sleeves) engine.

It's block has a high nickle content, and apparently they often rack up 300,000 miles without major wear, because the nickle makes the block very tough and wear resistant.



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