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C. Burnett

08-25-2006 08:22:09




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When I see an ad for an IH tractor and it says it has the German diesel what does that tell me other than the obvious? Is it better? Are parts available? Is it more expensive to rebuild? Etc, etc, etc.




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Jim Allen

08-26-2006 05:44:27




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 Re: German diesel in reply to C. Burnett, 08-25-2006 08:22:09  
I have an 826 witha D358 with about 8100 hours that I can crow about. I can't attest to it starting well when cold, because mine doesn't (still the original low compression pistons), unless plugged in, but it runs well and is very fuel efficient. I just finished chisel plowing some of my ground and, as normal, it burned just a skosh over 4GPH doing it. My 826 had been used only for occasional mowing for many years before I bought it, but now that it's really being worked these past few years, it actually runs BETTER. It used a lot of oil at first, but with some hard work and a change from straight 30 to 15-40 oil , it uses about the right amount now (1-2 qts per season, or about a quart every 20-25 hours or so). I have two neighbors with JD 4020s and both are jealous of my fuel efficiency. I do the same work for 1.5 to 2 GPH less. Another neighbor has an 856 and he's kinda jealous too. My 826 will outpull his 856, but that's only because his runs like crap and he's too cheap or lazy to make repairs.

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K.B.-826

08-25-2006 16:34:53




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 Re: German diesel in reply to C. Burnett, 08-25-2006 08:22:09  
We have a 826 with a fresh overhaul, a 786 with almost 9000 hrs on the engine, and a 3088 with 2500 hrs, all with the German 358. We used to have a late-model 686 that had about 7000 hrs with the 310. The 786 and 3088 start exellent down to 32 degrees without the block heater, and will start in the cold Minnesota winters with just a couple hours of the block heater being plugged in. The 826 is almost as good, although it does smoke heavy for about 5 minutes after a cold start. The 686, that was a different story. It needed the block heater at anything below 50 degrees, and was almost impossible to start around zero. I've always been very impressed with the power, fuel economy, and long life of these engines. The 826 had 8500 hrs when it was overhauled this winter, and the only reason it needed the overhaul is because one of the cylinder sleeve o-rings rotted out and allowed antifreeze into the oil pan. But that's going to happen to any 35 year old wet-sleeved diesel.

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Marv

08-25-2006 13:07:43




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 Re: German diesel in reply to C. Burnett, 08-25-2006 08:22:09  
I own two D310's and have overhauled both. They are a very reliable engine and start easy in cold temperatures. The downsdide is that the O rings located around the cylinder sleeve need to be replaced at approx. 9000 hours or 30 years, whichever comes first. The overhaul costs extra money because the cam bearings need to be line bored when replacement is needed. This involves sending the block to a machine shop to have this done. The engines are very fuel efficient. Marv

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Jimmy King

08-25-2006 13:05:42




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 Re: German diesel in reply to C. Burnett, 08-25-2006 08:22:09  
I have a 706 and a 756 both with a German 310 rated 76hp from factory. On a ten tooth chisel plow the 756 will burn 4 1/4 gals an hr. that is pretty good I think, I once had it on a dino and at 540 it turned a constant 88 and at 350 it turned a flat 100 after that it fell on its face. They are no more expensive to work on than any other.



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Dr.EVIL

08-25-2006 08:37:36




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 Re: German diesel in reply to C. Burnett, 08-25-2006 08:22:09  
In certain models of FARMALL tractors FARMALL bought diesel engines from IHC Nuess Germany instead of Melrose Park, IL. Late model 706, all 756 & 826, late model 886, all 786, 3088 & 3288's had either 310 or 358 cid engines in place of the Melrose 312 & 360 cid engines. There's debate about which engine, the Nuess or Melrose Pk is better but I believe the Nuess are, parts for either one are available... but yes the Nuess do cost more to rebuild but have fantastic durability and longevity.

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dhermesc

08-25-2006 08:58:52




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 Re: German diesel in reply to Dr.EVIL, 08-25-2006 08:37:36  
If you notice people advertise when they have a German diesel, and remain silent on the US engines. The German diesels are also noted for their fuel efficiency. Some people claim the German diesels had less torque then their US counterparts, but we never found that to be case with our 886s.



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El Toro

08-25-2006 10:04:11




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 Re: German diesel in reply to dhermesc, 08-25-2006 08:58:52  
The German Leopard Tank was more fuel efficient than the M1 Tank and they still bought it. We ran drawbar on both. Hal



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GeneP

08-25-2006 19:32:22




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 Re: German diesel in reply to El Toro, 08-25-2006 10:04:11  
You worked around these tanks? I love military history, tell me more.


gene



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El Toro

08-28-2006 06:45:22




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 Re: German diesel in reply to GeneP, 08-25-2006 19:32:22  
I worked around tanks and trucks for 43 years at Aberdeen Proving Ground. I left the farm in 1951 after high school. I was drafted into the Army in 1953 and returned to APG after being discharged.

I was profiled on the History Channel in 2003. They had a show called "Operation Reunion" where former military men were trying to locate some of their buddies for a reunion.

One group was a group of former POW's captured during the early days of the Korean War. They had found all surviving members except for one pow. They had private investigators looking for him too. To make a long story short I located him in Germany with the help of the VFW in Kansas City. They flew him and his wife to CA for the reunion. They sent a crew here to film me, but it was never shown on tv. It did give my name that ran for 10 seconds.

I found a retired Chief Warrant Officer from the Marine Corps too. He didn't want any reunion. Operation reunion ws cancelled too. They should've kept it on. Hal

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El Toro

08-26-2006 04:12:39




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 Re: German diesel in reply to GeneP, 08-25-2006 19:32:22  
I tested trucks, tanks, fire trucks, generators,
tractors, graders and earth moving pans. I have a picture of the heavy mobile field dynanmometer
that we used for drawbar pull and cooling tests.
If you want to see it email me. Hal



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