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M Farmall locked left back wheel

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Bill Zuke

08-17-2006 08:29:50




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I bought a Propane M two days ago. It has been sitting up for at least 5 years. The left back wheel is locked, but the right one moves freely. Any thought on whether this is a brake or transmission problem. Any beginner tips on how to get her running and precautions before turning the enginew over?




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Dick A

08-18-2006 05:59:55




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 Re: M Farmall locked left back wheel in reply to Bill Zuke, 08-17-2006 08:29:50  
My M had been sitting for a time and the right rear was locked up. We pulled it about 100 feet with the wheel dragging. Then we pulled it backwards and it came loose.



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MJF

08-17-2006 20:31:57




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 Re: M Farmall locked left back wheel in reply to Bill Zuke, 08-17-2006 08:29:50  
Well Bill In Feb I bought a propane M at a sale. That had the back left wheel locked up. That was caused by the band rusting fast. Just take the cover off the brake and pop it loose. Also to switch it back to gas it's no big deal. Just put all the right parts on it like the gas tank and carb. On mine it has water lines running into the rgulator or something that I had to plug. It should have a High Compression head which is great. Mine looked like brand new inside Have fun with it

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Michael Soldan

08-17-2006 16:14:10




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 Re: M Farmall locked left back wheel in reply to Bill Zuke, 08-17-2006 08:29:50  
Bill, I'll bet even money its a brake froze on. You will need penetrating oil,a good heavy crowbar and a substantial hammer. The brake rod that activates the lining to the drum is rusted into the tractor housing. Normally there is a brass bushing on the end that fits into the trans housing. The iron on both sides of the bushing rusts, causing great pressure on the brake rod, almost like it was welded. You need to remove the bolts on the brake pan, I beleive there are 8. The pan will not move because the brake rod is siezed into the trans housing. You will need to saturate the end closest to the tractor with penetrating oil, then get the thin edge of the crowbar in behind the pan and against the inner lip of the brake rod, then drive it with a heavy duty hammer or sledge, keep prying and working the brake rod, it will eventually break free, I spent six hours breaking on free on an H. If you have a torch heat the brake rod red hot then douse with cold water, get a vize grip in the brake activating arm and try to move it as you hammer...they can be a pain, you will begin to think it won't ever come off, but keep at it and it will. Hone out the hole in the trans case, get a new brass bushing and grease it up good and reassemble..its a hell of a lot of work but its the only way..Good luck..Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Bill Zuke

08-18-2006 06:16:02




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 Re: M Farmall locked left back wheel in reply to Michael Soldan, 08-17-2006 16:14:10  
I bet you are right because, what I forgot to mention, is that the left brake pedal does not depress as completely as it should, compared with the right pedal. That sounds consistent with what you say. I will go out with my sledge and crow bar tomorrow a get some answers.

Thanks to all.



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arod

08-17-2006 11:51:19




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 Re: M Farmall locked left back wheel in reply to Bill Zuke, 08-17-2006 08:29:50  
My H... if the return spring is not fully(and I mean to the millimeter!) pulling back on the band brake, then the Rear locks up.



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dej(JED)

08-17-2006 10:15:37




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 Re: M Farmall locked left back wheel in reply to Bill Zuke, 08-17-2006 08:29:50  
Check the brake band first. The chances of it being an axel bearing are pretty slim. I think there are only about 4 bolts holding the brake pan on. If it isn't that then it may be stuck in gear. Pull out the shifter and see if the rails are aligned in neutral.



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wegman

08-17-2006 08:43:05




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 Re: M Farmall locked left back wheel in reply to Bill Zuke, 08-17-2006 08:29:50  
the problem could be that the outer bering might be siezed worse yet your brakes are rusted causing your wheel to turn freely try taking the brake cover of and look around for debris



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Bill Zuke

08-17-2006 09:48:45




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 Re: M Farmall locked left back wheel in reply to wegman, 08-17-2006 08:43:05  
We almost had it off the ground enough to try and move it by hand. My friend thought it sounded more like it was stuck in gear rather than stuck by a brake. I am new to repairing, though I have many hours of riding on one as a kid. Where is the main bearing located and would it help to lubricate if that is the cause?



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Nat 2

08-17-2006 10:21:21




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 Re: M Farmall locked left back wheel in reply to Bill Zuke, 08-17-2006 09:48:45  
The bearing he's talking about is at the outer end of the axle housing, I believe.

It's probably a rusted-up brake, though. Check that first.

Drain all the fluid out of the transmission. It is almost certainly mostly full of water if it's been sitting outside.



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Andy Martin

08-17-2006 10:17:03




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 Re: M Farmall locked left back wheel in reply to Bill Zuke, 08-17-2006 09:48:45  
It is probably a siezed brake. If it is stuck in gear the differential will make the wheels turn in opposite directions.

There is a possibility a bearing has come apart and has the wheel locked.

I assume you are dragging the tractor and observing the wheels. Engage the PTO and drag it again. If the PTO is turning it is an indication that some things are OK inside.

Next step is to remove the brake drum housing.

It would be best to jack the tractor up and rock each wheel independently.

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Bill Zuke

08-17-2006 10:39:30




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 Re: M Farmall locked left back wheel in reply to Andy Martin, 08-17-2006 10:17:03  
I will go out there on Saturday and jack it up and take the left brake cover off and see what up.

We spent about 6-7 hour in 100 plus heat trying to get this on the trailer. Suffice it to say that it doesn't move well when the back wheel is locked. We finally found someone with a front end loader to pick most of the back end up and push it on the trailer. It was an ordeal. At 11:30 at night we were pulling it off the trailer hooked up to a tree. We could see nothing, but were greatful it had cooled down. Needless to say, I was unable to fill the propane tank or get the flat fixed on the back tire. Nevertheless, it brought back memories of those sorts of days in my youth near Lubbock.

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