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Keith Weber

08-16-2006 11:31:54

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My neighbor has a Farmall C (maybe an A) that is a Wilde Bros Hi-lo conversion. I am having trouble getting it to run somewhat descent. This tractor spent several years setting abandoned in a field before my neighbor got it. The governor does not appear to work and I don't think the vacuum advance even exists anymore. This tractor is held together with baling wire, duct tape and a prayer and the budget for parts is non-existent. The tractor will start and idle somewhat okay but seems starved for fuel. It will run for a minute or so and then start to shut down. If you choke it it will come back to life for 15-20 seconds then shut down again. There appears to be enough fuel coming from the tank but I don't know about the float level. Last night I cleaned the points and plugs and removed the carb, cleaned up the barrel and needle valve. There was a lot of gunk in the bottom of the bowl. I did not want to split the carb because I was sure that I would then need a gasket kit to get it back together again. This engine has a lot of blow by and two of the spark plugs has the extenders on them to help keep them from fouling out. Anybody out there have any ideas, also what should the points be gapped at.

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Keith

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gene bender

08-17-2006 04:04:08

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Re: Farmall C Hi-Lo in reply to Keith Weber, 08-16-2006 11:31:54

Just what do you mean when you say HI-LOW?

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Keith Weber

08-17-2006 04:14:59

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Re: Farmall C Hi-Lo in reply to gene bender, 08-17-2006 04:04:08

Wilde Brothers in Bailey, Michigan is a company that would take Farmall, Allis-Chalmers, Ford and probabley other tractors and convert them into Fork Lift tractors in support of the fruit farming, Orchards and Vineyards and various processing plants along the lake Michigan shoreline. I think these were also built under the Bailey Fork Lift name also. Wilde Bros either moved or went out of business. Several years ago I drove through Bailey and there was nothing but empty buildings where a significant manufacturing plant used to be. Anyway, Hi-Lo (hilo) is a fork lift truck.

Keith

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Mikey D

08-16-2006 12:18:28

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Re: Farmall C Hi-Lo in reply to Keith Weber, 08-16-2006 11:31:54

No offense, but sounds like the sad math equation:

Worn out tractor + $0 parts budget = Little Hope

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Nat 2

08-16-2006 11:45:16

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Re: Farmall C Hi-Lo in reply to Keith Weber, 08-16-2006 11:31:54

We can simplify things right off the bat, because unless someone did some clever machine work, that tractor never had a vacuum advance. It has mechanical advance only.

At the very least, the carburetor needs to be completely disassembled, cleaned thoroughly, and a "carb kit" put in it. Carb kits are not that expensive; with today's gas prices, you'll spend as much on gas running the tractor and fiddling with it. Just get the carb kit and be done with it.

Given the spark plug extenders, I'd dare say the engine is in serious need of rebuilding. With no parts budget, getting this tractor running well will be impossible.

It saddens me to say this, but your friend might be better off parting the tractor out, and looking for something better. Keep the Hi-Lo and any other unique/desired features off this tractor, and put them on the next project.

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Keith Weber

08-16-2006 12:04:09

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Re: Farmall C Hi-Lo in reply to Nat 2, 08-16-2006 11:45:16

I agree with your assessment. I was not sure on the ignition advance and the only reason I assumed it might be vacuum is that there is an 1/8 dia tube right next to the distributor that is not hooked up to anything. ???
This tractor ran reasonable well in the past but I would never take it any further than I cared to walk back. Shifting it when it is running is another life altering experience. If you are not real careful when comming out of reverse it tends to want to stay in reverse. Nothing short of pulling the shift lever out of the transimssion and prying the slide into nuetral will get you anywhere. My neighbor died this spring at 88 years old. He loved old hit & miss engines and was not opposed to working on anything mechaical and loved the challege of keeping anything going. It is his son who is not nearly as mechnically endowed that I'm trying to help out. Thanks for your input

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Haas

08-17-2006 18:24:49

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Re: Farmall C Hi-Lo in reply to Keith Weber, 08-16-2006 12:04:09

If the 1/8 hole you are talking about is on the distributor body and has 1/8 inch pipe threads, it is for a grease fitting to lube the distributor bearing. This only needs to be greased no more than once a year, and if you are not using the tractor regularly, every 5 years or so will do it. Over greasing is a no no, as that will get grease past the seals and into the distributor mechanism, not a good thing to happen. There is supposed to be 1/8 pipe thread plug in the hole. The orignal plug is slotted for a screw driver blade

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Andy Martin

08-16-2006 14:45:22

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Re: Farmall C Hi-Lo in reply to Keith Weber, 08-16-2006 12:04:09

Don't be too scared to take the carburetor apart. They go back pretty good with a broken gasket, I've done it enough times in the field.

A little exercise may help the governer. change the oil and keep running it.

Not wanting to come out of gear, however, indicates a clutch plate which is coming apart, the pieces drag on the pressure plate or flywheel and try to keep it engaged.

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Keith Weber

08-18-2006 02:39:08

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Re: Farmall C Hi-Lo in reply to Andy Martin, 08-16-2006 14:45:22

Tore the carb appart last night and cleaned a bunch of rust and crap out of it. The main gasket looked pretty rugged but I got it back together with a good seal. The tractor runs alot better but still needs work. It idles good now but hestitates when you accelerate and misses some.

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Keith Weber

08-17-2006 05:59:13

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Re: Farmall C Hi-Lo in reply to Andy Martin, 08-16-2006 14:45:22

When I had the carb off I looked for a mfg name, model#, etc. Nothing. Any idea what brand carb this might be?
It isn't the gears or clutch that's the problem, it's the linkage. It is so worn that it is possible to pull the shift level back out of R without actually moving the slide rail/fork. In so doing the tounge goes into one of the other rails, leaving the transoimssion engaged in R.
If it were my tractor I would take on the challenge of getting this thing back in running order. It would be an undertaking but the old Farmalls, when in good mechanical shape are a smooth running piece of equipment. I porefer the versatility ond stabilty of the older Fords. I have a 53 Jubilee and it does what I need to have done.

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Andy Martin

08-17-2006 06:09:01

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Re: Farmall C Hi-Lo in reply to Keith Weber, 08-17-2006 05:59:13

There were a couple of carburetors used on the C I think, but disassembly cleaning and reassembly may fix it with no kit. Somebody else will have to help with carburetor identification.

The end of the shift lever can be welded up to help keep it in the rails. Weld it on all sides, dress it down, then dress it further if it won't fit back in. It does not take very long.

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