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Hooking Up Dwell Meter

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magman

08-16-2006 06:30:00




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Can any one refresh my memory on how to hook up a tach and dwell meter. I would like to get RPMs. If possible. Also On a mag But If I can get how I can figure out the mag coil. JON




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KEB

08-16-2006 10:27:38




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 Re: Hooking Up Dwell Meter in reply to magman, 08-16-2006 06:30:00  
Dwell/tach meters will not work on a magneto. They measure dwell by measuring the percentage of time there is a DC voltage at the points (points open) and converting that to an equivalent number of degrees based on the number of cylinders. A magneto does not have constant DC on the points, only a pulse just before the points open, so there's nothing to measure the percentage of.

Remember dwell is nothing more than another way of measuring point gap. Setting the correct gap will give you the correct dwell unless there is serious wear in the distributor.

The tach function probably also doesn't work correctly, as its expecting to see pulsing DC as the points open & close, and actually gets a short pulse just before the points open on a mag. An inductive tach that clamps onto a spark plug wire will work just fine regardless of the source of the spark (magneto, distributor, electronics, etc.)

Keith

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Bob M

08-16-2006 06:51:44




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 Re: Hooking Up Dwell Meter in reply to magman, 08-16-2006 06:30:00  
John - For a coil/distributor (battery) ignition connect the tach/dwell red lead to the coil primary terminal connected to the distributor breaker points. Connect the black lead to ground. (This assumes a negative ground system - for positive ground reverse the red/black lead connections).

Unfortunately most tach/dwells do NOT work on magneto ignitions - at least neither of mine do. ...Bob M

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magman

08-16-2006 09:41:59




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 Re: Hooking Up Dwell Meter TO BOB M in reply to Bob M, 08-16-2006 06:51:44  
Hi Bob, Well I tyed it did work on the Mag I cant remember what lead was hooked where but I dont think it gave me a tru reading I got about 80 I think on dwell and as high as the tach would go was 1600. So I hooked my SM up with dist and it read 1850 so I know the H is putting out a lot more Rs than the SM so I guess it was not right for a mag either. Would that dwell be right for 13 thousands points. Or is that wrong also.

BTW I did double 8 cyl readings. JON

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Bob M

08-16-2006 10:19:51




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 Re: Hooking Up Dwell Meter TO BOB M in reply to magman, 08-16-2006 09:41:59  
Jon - For a mag you'd connect one tach/dwell lead to the mag shorting (kill) terminal and the other to ground. (Doesn't make any difference which color tach lead is grounded.) But since a tach/dwell ordinarily works by reading the pulsating battery voltage going to the coil, getting a proper RPM reading from a mag is questionable at best.

Incidentally it's been too long since I "dwelled" an mechanical ignition system - I honestly cannot recall what a good 4 cyl dwell reading is anymore.

So for a slow running tractor mag, I'd simply set the breaker points to 0.013" and take whatever dwell it gives you (remember you're not running NASCAR RPM's here!). Figure as long as you have a good spark when the impulse trips you can be certain you are getting a nice fat spark while the engine runs! ...Bob

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