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markloff

08-12-2006 15:11:37




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The 560 rear end doesn"t seem to be as weak as folklore has it. Went to a pull Fri. night at Almelund MN. They have a class called "king of the hill". Rules are 1960 or older no weight limit. Several big two cylinder Deeres, largest weighed in at 15,700 I believe. An Oliver 990 that weighed 17,900 I believe. A turboed 560 that weighed over 20,000. The 990 and the 560 had full pulls and went to the pull off. The 990 was a screamer but powered out in first gear. The 560 ran in first gear and throttled down a bit to keep traction then hit the TA and powered out when he fell off the turbo. The 560 wound up winning by 30 feet or so. The big 830 Deeres that were heavy enough powered out too.

First gear, TA in low, 20,000 lbs. with 16.9 x 38 radials on clay. Nothing broke!!! Sure is funny how you always read that they were a "disaster" as it is put in one of my books. Seems like IHC responding and doing the right thing had more of a negative effect on their reputation than anything. Fact is the 560 was the most abused tractor in history. Many were instantly turboed and forced to compete with the larger Deeres of the three year period IH was retooling for the 706 and 806.

You never hear of the problems Deere had in any books do ya. 720 and 730 crank problems. Early 4010"s dropping sleeves. It amazes me how reputations are easily tarnished. The 560 was a 60 HP tractor that was forced to operate as an 80-90 HP tractor through every trick in the book for its entire career. I wonder if the 720-730 deeres would have problems with them if it was possible to increase the power of them?

Mark

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Dan560d

08-14-2006 18:13:44




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 Re: News flash!!! in reply to markloff, 08-12-2006 15:11:37  
I own a 560d in Pa. Bought from original owner, with 11,000 hours, six years ago to replace a 340U that was too small for the farming that I was doing. It wasn't my first choice of tractors at the time, with all the negative I heard about the rear end problems. The price was the deciding factor, 2900 with a good 2000 loader. In the last six years this tractor has been the most impressive tractor that I have ever operated, I farm 46 acres of organic small grains and corn. I plow, plant, cultivate, and harvest with this tractor. It is easy on fuel and handles a 499 haybine and a 851 round baler with little effort. I am sure that there are better tractors out there, but none can compare to the price per hp ov a 560 diesel.

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Hugh MacKay

08-12-2006 19:43:52




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 Re: News flash!!! in reply to markloff, 08-12-2006 15:11:37  
Mark: A 60 second tractor pull is hardly much of a test on a rearend, why he would even get the oil warm. You try loading any tractor down with that percentage of extra weight and start hammering them 16 hours per day, you'll soon find out what rearend troubles are. Heat build up is the culpert that kills rearends.



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markloff

08-12-2006 20:52:34




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 Re: News flash!!! in reply to Hugh MacKay, 08-12-2006 19:43:52  
Hugh,

I've never seen a 560 that weighs 20,000 lbs. plus in the field plowing in first gear low. Thanks for dumbing it down for me though. I would venture to guess that 16 hour days in the field vs. tractor pulling would decrease the time between engine overhauls too?

Mark



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Hugh MacKay

08-13-2006 03:07:37




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 Re: News flash!!! in reply to markloff, 08-12-2006 20:52:34  
mark: Your post didn't need dumbing down, tractor pulling has never proved anything except some folks have more cash than they know what to do with.

To start with I never suggested anyone actually ever used a 20,000 lb 560 in the field. What I did say was, no short term hard pull ever messed up a power train on a tractor. Heat buildup over the long haul, my friend is the ture test of a powertrain. IH put together the 560 basically using Farmall M rear end and placed 15 + more hp up front. Many 560 diesels turned out 75 hp right from the factory, and it was quite easy to crank 90 hp out of one, thus there were many 560s out in the field turning twice the hp the Farmall M rearend was designed for.

I expect the 16 hour days would decrease the TIME between engine overhauls. A lot of folks running 16 hour days quite easily put 600 to a 1000 hours a year on tractors. Now, if a tractor puller went to a 150 pulls per year, we're talking less than 10 hours per year of tractor operation.

Given the fact it is quite easy to get 10,000 hours tractor operation between engine rebuilds, on the farm. By my count a tractor puller should get a 1,000 years between engine rebuilds.

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Farmallgray

08-13-2006 18:29:15




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 Re: News flash!!! in reply to Hugh MacKay, 08-13-2006 03:07:37  
You apparently haven't seen too many hot olivers pull. I have seen them break axles, hubs, bull gears etc. I even heard of one breaking in half.
A 60 second pull may not burn a bearing out, but it certainly can break parts.



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Hugh MacKay

08-14-2006 02:27:11




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 Re: News flash!!! in reply to Farmallgray, 08-13-2006 18:29:15  
How many hours in the field, and how badly worn before the pull. I've seen those guys go pulling, they think there is nothing needs to be rebuilt behind the clutch.



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magman

08-12-2006 18:21:47




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 Re: News flash!!! in reply to markloff, 08-12-2006 15:11:37  
I have a neighbor that has a 730 and he has been plauged by flywheel problems all its life he has changed two out and welded a few also. And I believe I have heard him say that it was a bad point in those tractors. His is a pulling tractor but only in classes up to 9500lb. JON



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Steven@AZ

08-12-2006 16:06:26




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 Re: News flash!!! in reply to markloff, 08-12-2006 15:11:37  
Back home in ND I've asked all the old-timers I know about problems with the 560 or 660 final drives -- nobody even knows there ever was a problem!

I agree that the 560 is probably still the most abused IH tractor out there - loader work, etc.



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DennyF

08-12-2006 15:49:56




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 Re: News flash!!! in reply to markloff, 08-12-2006 15:11:37  
My 90 year-old uncle started farming in 1940 with a steel-wheeled Fordson and a team of horses. Bought a new H in 1946, had a pair of Ms, a Ford 8N and JD 2010 (both briefly), a 460 and finished out his career with a WFE gas 560.

He claims the 560 was the best gas farm tractor that IH ever made, used to rag on my cousin about his 656 diesel not keeping up with the old man's 560 in haying seasons. One of the ol' varmint's favorite things in life, was a call from a neighbor to come pull something out with his 560.

Never had any TA or final drive problems with that 560 gasser and that thing got a hard workout on the farm. Other than normal maintenence items, I don't think that tractor ever cost him a nickel in the ten years he worked it.

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