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real IH wide front end?

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Mike CA

08-08-2006 00:04:20




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Does anyone have a good detailed picture of a wide IH front end? I'm going to be taking the one off my H and selling it, and I want to know if it's the real deal, or something else.

What clues will tell me one way or the other?




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Paul G. in Mn

08-08-2006 14:26:56




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 Re: real IH wide front end? in reply to Mike CA, 08-08-2006 00:04:20  
I ended up adding one of these factory wide fronts on my 39 M. In my opionion it drive and steers so much nicer then with the narrow and would never go back



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banjo

08-08-2006 11:09:39




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 Re: real IH wide front end? in reply to Mike CA, 08-08-2006 00:04:20  
Mike , you may not be planning on doing another restore but it is a disease and uncureable. the only way to keep it in check is to buy old farmalls and work on them. driving across country sides just looking will not stop the disease from advanceing.

I fear it is too late for you, you have been bitten by the bug.



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Mike CA

08-08-2006 11:31:32




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 Re: real IH wide front end? in reply to banjo, 08-08-2006 11:09:39  
ahh crap!

Now I'm gonna have to go buy a farm or somethin'!



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Mike CA

08-08-2006 08:33:48




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 Re: real IH wide front end? in reply to Mike CA, 08-08-2006 00:04:20  
There are a couple of welds on my front end. One on the bar connected to the steering, one on the joint over the right wheel.

How bad will that affect the value?



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Brooks McCormick

08-08-2006 10:30:51




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 Re: real IH wide front end? in reply to Mike CA, 08-08-2006 08:33:48  
Don't worry about the welds, that means it is a real IH wide front



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Allan In NE

08-08-2006 08:38:23




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 Re: real IH wide front end? in reply to Mike CA, 08-08-2006 08:33:48  
Ouch!

And I just sent ya an email about it too. :>(

Allan



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Mike CA

08-08-2006 09:20:11




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 Re: real IH wide front end? in reply to Allan In NE, 08-08-2006 08:38:23  
Well, I don't know how bad they are. I didn't notice them until the guy pointed them out to me.

When I get a chance, I will take a couple of detailed photos of the front end so you can see what I'm talking about.



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Glenn F.

08-08-2006 03:15:43




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 Re: real IH wide front end? in reply to Mike CA, 08-08-2006 00:04:20  
If I were you, I'd go ahead and get the narrow front, but keep the wide front. They're easy to switch over. The day will come when you'll wish you had the wide front back. Narrow front H's are VERY common. Factory wide front models are very rare around here.

Glenn F.



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Mike CA

08-08-2006 08:26:01




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 Re: real IH wide front end? in reply to Glenn F., 08-08-2006 03:15:43  
hmmm. Well, my plan was to clean up the front end with some new paint and grease, and then sell it to help fund my restoration project. I really don't know if I'm going to be doing another restoration. So that wide front end may be sitting around for a long time. And I won't be switching it on my current tractor because it won't be like my Grandfather's, and that's the whole reason I got into this in the first place.

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Hugh MacKay

08-08-2006 02:49:51




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 Re: real IH wide front end? in reply to Mike CA, 08-08-2006 00:04:20  
Mike: A photo will probably be the only sure way, however if your H has an original wide front the ty-rods will be out front of the axle. It will have a ty-rod from one side to the other, plus a drag link from the left side to the center, and hooked to the steering control arm.

The Super H and any newer models all have ty-rods behind the axle. There may well be older type wide fronts on a lot of the newer tractors as there were a sizable number of these around dealers, as the Supers came on the market. Back in those days tractors were shipped to dealers via rail. IH could put more Cs, Hs and Ms on a rail flat car when equiped with narrow fronts. Wide fronts for a percentage of these were straped to rail car deck under tractors. At the end of H and M production just about every dealer found himself with a few extra wide fronts.

A few of the new type front ends have made their way to Hs over the years. Also, all the aftermarket wide fronts have ty-rods behind the axle. Of the ones I've seen, only the IH wide front has the center that axle pivots on and bolts to tractor, made of cast.

Don't be alarmed by the narrow front nay-sayers. Millions of narrow fronts were sold by the various companies. Are we to believe all those millions of farmers were wrong, and these few nay-sayers at YT are right, I hardly think so. These folks will try to tell you narrow front was specific to row crops. I can give you hundreds of example of farmers the bought these new and never grew a row crop. Farmers loved narrow front tractors on hay balers. I used my 300 nf on hay baler long after I had a 560D with wf, why, in spite of 560s power advantage, 300 was just as fast, because it was more manuverable. I even liked the 300 in the bush, around stumps, brush, etc. There are many factors why narrow front disappeared, imagined safety is only a small portion of the reason.

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Allan In NE

08-08-2006 02:46:56




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 Re: real IH wide front end? in reply to Mike CA, 08-08-2006 00:04:20  
Mike,

Your tractor has an original wide front.

Allan

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Mike CA

08-08-2006 08:31:55




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 Re: real IH wide front end? in reply to Allan In NE, 08-08-2006 02:46:56  
ok, it sure does. Allan, could you send me a high resolution, close up detailed picture of your wide front end? The reason I ask is that there is a push bar on the front of mine, but it is broken and bent, and a chunk of the bar is missing. I want to know if that is supposed to be there or I should remove it. I can't really tell by looking at your picture, but it doesn't look like yours has it.

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Allan In NE

08-08-2006 03:06:01




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 Re: real IH wide front end? in reply to Allan In NE, 08-08-2006 02:46:56  
This one is an aftermarket.

Allan

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banjo

08-08-2006 00:30:46




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 Re: real IH wide front end? in reply to Mike CA, 08-08-2006 00:04:20  
I don't know the answer. but why would you want a tricycle front instead. I wouldn't own one, more stable with the wide front.just courious, just too many hills where i live.



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Mike CA

08-08-2006 08:07:31




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 Re: real IH wide front end? in reply to banjo, 08-08-2006 00:30:46  
Good question. It has nothing to do with the usability of a wide front end. I'm not going to use this tractor for work. It will be strictly a show tractor. And the reason I want a narrow front end is because that is what my Grandfather had. I want to rebuild "his" tractor for my own. And the wide front end just isn't the same.



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