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ATTENTION ALL 300 350 UTILITY OWNERS

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Terry Miller

08-02-2006 06:06:33




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I have to buy a plow in the next day or so and have heard conflicting reports as to whether my 300 utility will pull a trail type plow better or a 3 pt better. I am looking at a couple of 2-14's. I do not have wheel weights and can not afford them at this time. We just need to turn the soil over for a food plot for now but more serious planting in the future. We just got a solid night of rain and need to be ready to go at this soon. Any feedback is much aprreciated. I am new to this site and new to plowing. HELP

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Terry Miller

08-03-2006 05:08:06




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 Re: ATTENTION ALL 300 350 UTILITY OWNERS in reply to Terry Miller, 08-02-2006 06:06:33  
Yes my tractor does have the top link with 3pt arms. If I till only first as mentioned above am I going to be able to see a crop? Dont disc only cut about 4"? I do have a chance at a dearborn plow. 2-14 3 pt for $250. Should I give it a try? Terry



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GordoSD

08-03-2006 12:57:14




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 Re: ATTENTION ALL 300 350 UTILITY OWNERS in reply to Terry Miller, 08-03-2006 05:08:06  
How much "farming" have you done? I ask this because I think you might want to discuss your plans for crops with local established farmers. There is a lot more to preparing the seed bed than just plowing up the ground. What are you planing to plant? Have you taken a soil sample? When and how will you control weeds? Do you have sprayer? Do you have fertilizer? Do you have a disc? Do you have a cultivater? Is your planter capable of no-til planting if row crop? Or will you drill, or broadcast if seeding? Do you have a harrow? All those implements are much more valuable than a plow? Let's get you a plan from start to finish for the crop, then talk about what to buy.

Gordo

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Janicholson

08-03-2006 09:23:17




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 Re: ATTENTION ALL 300 350 UTILITY OWNERS in reply to Terry Miller, 08-03-2006 05:08:06  
Sure (try it on condition of acceptable operation, give a refundable down, then try it) JimN



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Janicholson

08-02-2006 11:08:42




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 Re: ATTENTION ALL 300 350 UTILITY OWNERS in reply to Terry Miller, 08-02-2006 06:06:33  
350U owner. We pull 3-14s in heavy soil with fluid, and one set of weights. We have fire crater pistons and thin sleeves in it. (It pulled the plow well before rebuild, just better after) I think FH 2-14s would be very handy for the operation you describe. Plowchief was what we use. JimN



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Hugh MacKay

08-02-2006 10:24:09




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 Re: ATTENTION ALL 300 350 UTILITY OWNERS in reply to Terry Miller, 08-02-2006 06:06:33  
Terry: Your 300 utility should pull any 2x14 plow with ease regardless of rear ballast, provided your tires have decent tread. I pull 2x12 with my Farmall 130 or 140, 130 has wheel weights and neither have liquid in tires.

The plow your 300 will pull the easiest will be the 2x14 fast hitch, provided your tractor has the hitch depth control cylinder just under your brake pedals. Having your depth control working perfect is the key. That perfect depth control is exactly why I can pull 2x12, 8" deep in heavy clay. Now, I admit 130 and 140 don't have the external depth control cylinder, but the same principle is involved, controlling front end of that fast hitch.

Contrary to some of what your being told that early 2 point fast hitch has far better depth control than any mounted plow (all makes) up until 1963 and the days when IH introduced lower link sencing on it's 3 point hitch. These guys can talk draft control all they want, 300 just doesn't need it pulling 2x14. Now, if you were pulling 3x14 that would be a horse of a different color.

I pulled 3x16 trailer plow with my Farmall 300, tires loaded to the limit with chloride and one set of wheel weights. I also pulled 5x16 semi-mount with 656, no wheel weights or chloride, but that was lower link sencing draft control with excellent weight transfer to tractor. A lot of folks tend to think a plow is a very simple tool that you just hook on and go. On the contrary, plows have very complex adjustments, and unless you get them right your plow can pull awfully hard.

If when you get plowing pulling 2x14 with your 300 utility, no added weight, if you have problems pulling it, something is not adjusted properly. THOSE ARE COLD HARD FACTS.

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Dave Slater

08-02-2006 11:49:14




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 Re: ATTENTION ALL 300 350 UTILITY OWNERS in reply to Hugh MacKay, 08-02-2006 10:24:09  
Hugh, the 300 utility used a fast hitch different from any other IH tractor. No front cylinder was used like on Farmall fast hitch without traction control. The 2 point arms on plow were mounted so plow would hinge and a top link was used for leveling. Noticed in posts before that you have before some plow books,not sure but think the utility plow model numbers are UF 20 and UF30 for 2 and 3 bottom.

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Hugh MacKay

08-02-2006 13:20:54




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 Re: ATTENTION ALL 300 350 UTILITY OWNERS in reply to Dave Slater, 08-02-2006 11:49:14  
Dave: The only 300 utility I ever saw with fast hitch plow belonged to my uncle and it was not as you describe. It was the exact same plow as one would use on a Farmall.

Bear in mind also the plows we were getting here from after WW#2 to 1965 were different from the Canton Il built plows. Hamilton On IH works supplied all of Canada, parts of New England, Europe and Austrailia with tillage equipment. A great deal of it resembled US built but was not exactly the same. In that era the Hamilton plant was the 2nd largest IH plant world wide in dollar value production and they only produced 2 or 3 tractors, and those were very low production.

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Dave Slater

08-02-2006 08:56:03




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 Re: ATTENTION ALL 300 350 UTILITY OWNERS in reply to Terry Miller, 08-02-2006 06:06:33  
Want to point out that IH used a 2 point plow set up unique to the 300 utility. Top link like a 3 point was used. Never tried a 2 point plow without the top link on one so don't know how good it would work. Have used regular 300 utility 2 14 plow and makes a good match unless in easy ground.



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Unreserved dick

08-02-2006 08:39:27




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 Re: ATTENTION ALL 300 350 UTILITY OWNERS in reply to Terry Miller, 08-02-2006 06:06:33  
This business of plowing with a 300U is a bit complex. The first problem is traction - without wheel weights or tire ballast, only a fraction of the engine's torque is available without spinning the tires. Apparently adding weight to the rear isn't an option for you, so you need to figure on using the smallest plow you can find. A mounted plow tends to add some weight to the rear end, and might be a better bet than a trailer plow, but make sure you pull the pin so the hitch is floating if you go with a mounted plow (see your Operators Manual).

A second problem is the type of soil. I think that in an earlier post you said you have heavy clay; this will make plowing much more difficult than in lighter soils, and a smaller plow is indicated. The size of tillage implements you can use is very dependent upon your soil type.

Another issue is the 300U's "fixed Fast Hitch" - which doesn't include traction control or any way to adjust the angle of attack (or "suck") of a 2-point plow. If you go with a mounted or semi-mount plow, your best bet is a 3-point rather than a 2-point plow. The 3-point's top link will allow you to adjust the suck angle.

Finding wheel weights which fit also may be an adventure; the standard IH weights for the H/M, etc. don't fit. If you are really interested in plowing and other tillage with this tractor, you really need to put more weight on the rear end to aviod an exercise in frustration. Adding ballast to the rear tires might be the most practical idea. For heavy tillage here in Colorado clay, I'll typically have 1200-1500# of weight added to the rear of my 300U to keep the wheel spinning to a minimum.

Scratching the dirt with a chisel plow might also be a better short-term alternative to a moldboard plow which you might want to consider.

Good luck.

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GordoSD

08-02-2006 08:20:26




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 Re: ATTENTION ALL 300 350 UTILITY OWNERS in reply to Terry Miller, 08-02-2006 06:06:33  
Strongly recommend you go out there and spray the plot with treflan, and then disc it two or three times before you plow. You may find that you won't need to plow it. Plowing really brings up a lot of dormant weed and grass seeds. It's just about the worst thing you can do to your land. If you have deep roots, use a subsoiler.

Gordo



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old

08-02-2006 07:09:52




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 Re: ATTENTION ALL 300 350 UTILITY OWNERS in reply to Terry Miller, 08-02-2006 06:06:33  
Your tractor will handle a 2-12 or 2-14 of either type very well. That tractor is around 41HP and I pull a 2-12 with a JD-B which is rated at around 20HP so it will play with it. The pull type plow will/should be cheaper then a 3 point or fast hithc type also. Also the 300U is a pretty heavy little tractor in the first place. Shoot I bet it would handle a 2-16 with no problem unless you are working in heavy clay

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billde

08-02-2006 06:44:28




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 Re: ATTENTION ALL 300 350 UTILITY OWNERS in reply to Terry Miller, 08-02-2006 06:06:33  
Are you talking about fast hitch or true 3 pt? Unless you have a conversion kit your tractor is fast hitch.



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jal-SD

08-02-2006 06:17:32




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 Re: ATTENTION ALL 300 350 UTILITY OWNERS in reply to Terry Miller, 08-02-2006 06:06:33  
Your 300 utility should be able to play with a 2-14 of either type. It has more HP than a super H, which has more HP than an H. We used to pull a 2-16's drag plow with an H & had a neighbor that pulled 3-14 drag plow with a super H. My '54 SC Case will pull a 3-14 drag plow all day, it has about the same horse power as your 300 U. (My $0.02 worth. jal-SD)



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