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OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG

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magman

08-01-2006 09:21:15

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I have desided to ask the good people here this question becuase it seems to me that alot of you have pretty good morals. OK I bought a mag on ebay a few weeks ago they would only take a money order. I sent it on monday they rec on wed. Then theylisted another mag so I bid I ended up buying tha one also and sent the money order the next day and they rec it two days later. I emailed them twice becuase I never rec the first mag heard nothing, Then a few days later I emailed them again and got the responce that both mags were mailed last week. And every day they emailed me to see if I got them. So yesterday I emailed them and said no. But I have a question if you mailed them both were they in the same box? and if they wre why did you charge me double shipping? No responce. OK today they come in a little tiny box with one small piece of news paper in between them and both top covers are broke and both mags are mared pretty good. So I have already rec feed back from them saying positive. The ? is Is it my fault that I did not buy ins I dont know if it was even offered? Or should they have the moral responsibility to have shipped them better. Second ? should I ask for shipping back They sent them both parcel post and it cost $10.00 to ship and they charged me $24.00 for shipping $12.00 a piece? I am not one to just give someone - feedback just to do it becuase what comes around goes around. But this may be the case I dont know thats why I am asking you fine people. THANKS JON

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Buzzman72

08-02-2006 07:44:29

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to magman, 08-01-2006 09:21:15

Under the circumstances, you did the right thing. I wouldn't send the mags back NOW, since you need the cores. So what I'D do, if I was in your shoes, is I'd post the feedback as "neutral" and in the comments note "inadequate packaging", but that parts were as advertised...eat the $12 shipping overcharge and consider it the price of "continuing education." It's not worth making a bad situation worse. Nobody can change history, but you can change how you deal with the future...and the next time, when you win an auction, make sure you email the seller and ask about packaging. Might save you from future misunderstandings and future damaged parts.

A little communication beforehand can save a lot of bad feelings afterwards...and if not, it's not because YOU didn't try.

Just MY opinion...YOUR mielage may vary, void where prohibited, and alcohol may intensify any side effects.

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Gary in Mozarks

08-02-2006 03:40:52

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to magman, 08-01-2006 09:21:15

We have bought and sold alot of stuff on ebay. I had a simular experience in that I sold two items to the same person and she sent me twice the shipping I merely put her change in the box (in cash) with her item. No big deal. Most people seem to be ok with leaving negitive feeback for a non paying bidder, but nobody seems to want to leave negitive feedback if the shipper did a poor job of packaging and then won't make it good. Thats what negitive feedback is for, To warn others about the bad experience you had so they don't get burnt too. Just my 2 cents worth.

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Brownie 45

08-02-2006 03:30:03

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to magman, 08-01-2006 09:21:15

Did the mags come UPS ? If so, I believe their shipments are automatically insured to $100. If you want more, it is extra cost.

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Merlin

08-02-2006 02:55:57

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to magman, 08-01-2006 09:21:15

Just a foot note on e-bay and them helping you. I put an automobile on with a buy now price and some guy bought it at that price. When I contacted him about payment, he said he changed his mind and didn"t want it after all. I asked him if he could at least send me insertion fees and he laughed at me. I contacted e-bay and their response was, "you need to get a lawyer" and a lot of other babbling that didn"t help any. So I just take all their rules with a grain of salt now.

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Yugrotcart

08-01-2006 14:17:37

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to magman, 08-01-2006 09:21:15

Jon,
As a seller has responsibility to ensure that items are packed correcty for shipping, I would hope that you and the seller can come to some agreement. I send you a mag resently with more then enough packing and no damage in transit. I agree with Allen, try to work it out with the seller and if you can't, don't lose any sleep over it..... .....

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Sloroll

08-01-2006 11:51:12

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to magman, 08-01-2006 09:21:15

Sorry you bought the second one before knowing better Mag Man. I give everyone the bennifit of the doubt first time around. IF you let him know of your dissapointments and he does nothing just walk away and chalk it up to a lesson learned. If he does what he can to help make it right or at least fesses up to a missunderstanding in the transaction I'll procede with caution the second time. Third chances just don't happen or an out and out lie is the end of a relationship too. Walk away is the best answer. I've found that the world is an incredibly small place. A good slinging of mud can easily go around and smack you on the back side of your head one day.

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IH2444

08-01-2006 10:41:48

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to magman, 08-01-2006 09:21:15

Morals often conflict with profit. Guess which one usually wins ?

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old

08-01-2006 10:25:58

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to magman, 08-01-2006 09:21:15

Magman do you ever mess with mags from Allis tractors?? also drop me an e-mail I have a mag from an H that would be a good core.

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Nebraska Cowman

08-01-2006 10:08:42

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to magman, 08-01-2006 09:21:15

I'd think maybe this is somebody new to ebay and not quite up to speed on proper packing. I guess i'd let them know how the goods arived. If they chose to make it right or at least acknoledge their fault I might be tempted to buy from them again. Otherwise not. I like to ship mags in the flat-rate boxes, double boxed and room for padding. They seldom arive damaged and I insure very few of them.

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Brownie 45

08-01-2006 09:55:19

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to magman, 08-01-2006 09:21:15

Shipping costs for e-bay items I've looked at are very prohibitive in many instances. The seller I'm sure makes more on shipping than on the item that is sold. On the other hand, I've dealt with people who charge actual shipping charges & don't jack up the charges, which is exactly how I operate. On the packing of the mags, I would have had 10 pounds of newspapers & styrofoam peanuts in the box to provide cushioning. Definitely the shipper's fault.

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banjo

08-01-2006 09:43:01

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to magman, 08-01-2006 09:21:15

That's a tough one magman. usually i try to calm down and go with my gut feeling. sometimes it is not the right choice but i live with it. i understand you wanting to be treated fairly as you would treat someone else. But there are some people out there that just don't understand this due to different standards of life.

I might just send one more e-mail explaining how the merchandice was received and do not feel the shipping cost were accurate and poor packaging coused damage. or if the covers were broke before than it should of been in the description.They received money for undamaged goods.

i always ask for insurance even if it isn't offered.usually they will tell you how much extra in an e-mail.

I usually respond to how the transaction went reguardless how it went for them. I try to keep it short and honest and not mean spirited.

I can't tell you what to do, but just think about how you write the feedback. good luck and i'm sure someone will have a better suggestion.

yes they should of done a better job of packaging it and offered shipping for multiple purchase. but it may of looked good to them. Like i said before some people lack common sense and responsibility.

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LeJo

08-01-2006 09:54:34

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to banjo, 08-01-2006 09:43:01

Ebay is in trouble , as of now. Take it up with them. I;m sure they can help.

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Allan In NE

08-01-2006 09:53:39

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to banjo, 08-01-2006 09:43:01

Mag,

You did buy two different auctions; I'm sure the shipping gougein' practice was probably listed in the description?

As far as the broken cover(s), I'd write him one email. If it isn't resolved, I'd put a "neutral" in his feedback, forget it and just get on with life.

It just isn't worth gettin' the blood pressure all out of whack over.

Allan

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dhermesc

08-01-2006 09:31:56

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to magman, 08-01-2006 09:21:15

You paid for two shipments and only got one, I'd say you are right in asking for a refund for one shipping fee. Especially when they may not have been damaged if they had shipped the way you paid for.

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Cue P.

08-01-2006 09:29:22

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to magman, 08-01-2006 09:21:15

I learned my lesson on insurance. An ebay purchase came slightly damaged even though the seller did do a good job packing. Even wrote all over the pkg not to bend, and it came with a big crease in it. Insurance wasnt suggested but i know better now. As far as what to do now, i would send a polite email questioning the shipping charges, the fact that packing was poor which probably led to the damages and see what the response is. If its less than satisfactory i would email ebay directly and file a complaint if thats possible (not just a poor grade)and/or take the hit and never do business w/ them again.

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magman

08-01-2006 09:51:21

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to Cue P., 08-01-2006 09:29:22

SEE THATS ONE PROBLEM, I have a bid on one more of there mags right now I really need the cores and $32.00 shipped is about $3.00 under what I can aford to pay for cores. So I am afraid if I dont walk on egg shells at this point if I win this mag they will be able to leave me more feed back. I think a nice email to them would be the best at this point. and see what happens then either withdraw my bid and take the hit from ebay then I can get down and dirty if needede. I guess. JON

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RustyFarmall

08-01-2006 11:35:42

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to magman, 08-01-2006 09:51:21

Magman, If the seller already left positive feedback for you, you have nothing to worry about. Hit them with a big fat negative, and while you are at it, report the seller to eBay for extreme overcharging on the shipping. You can also withdraw your bid on the other mag, and suffer no repercussions. How many more mags do you need? I have a few.

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magman

08-01-2006 11:39:56

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to RustyFarmall, 08-01-2006 11:35:42

As many as I can get. LOL I sent them a sweet message and I checked into the bid withdrawel and they pulled the mag themselfs. And emauiled me and said send both mags back and they would send a check for the money I sent for the purchase and shipping but no return shipping. So now I dont know what to do . I emailed them back and said send me the shipping back for the second and I would leave + feed back but they said no they wanted the mags back so Now I think theres nop way unless they send me a money order first with shipping back what do you think. JON

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Kelly C

08-02-2006 06:58:15

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to magman, 08-01-2006 11:39:56

They are running a angle on you. Why the heck would they want the mags back and return all the money and the shipping, then not want to just refund you $12? Sounds stupid to me.
I bet if you send the mags back you wont see any thing and if you dont they have a come back for neg feedback. I.E. We offord to refund his money but he didnt do it.

I would just leave them neg feed back for the condition of the units and be done with them.

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RustyFarmall

08-01-2006 11:46:04

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Re: OT: QUESTION OF MORALS KINDA LONG in reply to magman, 08-01-2006 11:39:56

If they won't refund the shipping you might as well keep those mags. It'll cost YOU about half what you paid just to send them back. I'm headed out to the shop and do a little inventory, I'll send you an e-mail later.

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