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banjo

07-31-2006 19:10:27




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got the pistons and crank out today.super a that is. mains have .010 bearings, rod are standard. have some wear in the crank journals that appear to be from cruddy oil.

have 2 broke manifold studs. tried left hand bits and broke my tap.

still have cam and sleeves to remove. local is 50 miles one way. with price of fuel i cant waste trips.

any easy ways to remove sleeves?




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banjo

08-01-2006 09:07:14




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 Re: time to find a machine shop in reply to banjo, 07-31-2006 19:10:27  
i got the sleeves out with the help of a home made puller, anyway they are out and man is it nasty in there. rust,crud.

it sure needs a good cleaning.

still have to find a good machine shop. the one i used in the past closed up. owner had been trying to retire for years.just don't know who to trust with my equipment. anyone on here use any in McAlester Okla ?



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El Toro

08-01-2006 17:46:55




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 Re: time to find a machine shop in reply to banjo, 08-01-2006 09:07:14  
There's Hoods Auto Mchine shop at 918-389-4438 or Napa Auto Parts machine shop at 918-423-4026.
Hal



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banjo

08-01-2006 20:45:22




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 Re: time to find a machine shop in reply to El Toro, 08-01-2006 17:46:55  
I thought about having someone there local reccomend one ,but you never know if they are just sending you to the one that pops in their head.

Have you heard or used either one or just looked in the yellow pages?

Also need info on oil pump parts. Thanks



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El Toro

08-02-2006 03:45:16




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 Re: time to find a machine shop in reply to banjo, 08-01-2006 20:45:22  
I found them on the internet. What info are you looking for on the oil pump? I have a parts breakdown on the Super C oil pump, if you need it I can email it to you. Hal



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banjo

08-02-2006 08:31:11




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 Re: time to find a machine shop in reply to El Toro, 08-02-2006 03:45:16  
I need the parts to rebuild it. there is some wear on the cover and seems to have too much lash in the gears. and need new gasket. thanks

trying to stay away from the dealer if at all possible. the one in this area seems about 3 times the price or more on parts.

example- 2 inch freeze plug dealer price $5.oo

napa price about$1.oo



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El Toro

08-02-2006 08:42:02




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 Re: time to find a machine shop in reply to banjo, 08-02-2006 08:31:11  
Here's the number for a dealer in PA. They have 4 dealerships, 2 in PA and 2 in Delaware. They're very helpful. The toll free number is
1-800-732-0017 ans ask for farm tractor parts since they have garden tractors too. They have some of the oil pump parts and they can drop ship them to you in OK. Their email is : bhershey@hoober.com. Hal



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banjo

08-02-2006 20:04:25




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 Re: time to find a machine shop in reply to El Toro, 08-02-2006 08:42:02  
Will try and check them tomarrow. thanks



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banjo

08-01-2006 09:23:38




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 Re: time to find a machine shop in reply to banjo, 08-01-2006 09:07:14  
still need to find a oilpump rebuild kit. any online? what all comes in it? this one seem to need gears also. the teeth look good but i have no way to check the play in them. Please don't seen me to the dealer.



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El Toro

08-01-2006 04:06:42




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 Re: time to find a machine shop in reply to banjo, 07-31-2006 19:10:27  
I used the method that K.B.-826 did. Don't be too aggressive with the hammer. You do not want to damage your block.

Be sure to clean that area where the old sealing rings sit. Even if you have the block dipped be
sure to wire brush that area thoroughly so you don't have any leakage. Apply dish detergent to the new sleeves will make them easy to install. Hal



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gene bender

08-01-2006 03:30:23




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 Re: time to find a machine shop in reply to banjo, 07-31-2006 19:10:27  
have the shop remove them if you dont hsve a puller as they can be stuck pretty good sometimes



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K.B.-826

07-31-2006 20:05:36




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 Re: time to find a machine shop in reply to banjo, 07-31-2006 19:10:27  
Super A has wet sleeves, which are fairly easy to remove. At this point, you'll probably need the special puller for doing this. Are you taking the block to the machine shop? They should have the puller. Next time you do one, remove them while the engine is still in the tractor, by cutting a piece of an oak 2x4 to the shape where it will clear the crank and catch the bottom edge of the sleeve. Then get your floor jack under the 2x4, and they should pop right out. Right now, you could try driving them out with a wood block and big hammer. I would probably just recommend taking the block to the machine shop, have them pop the sleeves out, have the block hot tanked and surfaced, and have them replace the cam bearings, as that's another job that requires special tools. If you choose to have the block surfaced, send your new sleeves along so they can test fit the sleeves after recutting the counterbores, to assure that the sleeves stand out above the deck of the block the correct amout.

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banjo

07-31-2006 22:18:34




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 Re: time to find a machine shop in reply to K.B.-826, 07-31-2006 20:05:36  
according to the manual there are no bearings for the cam, just machined in the block.

hav'nt ordered sleeves yet, need to see what size bearings to get.have to have crank checked first.

if the sleeves are sometimes stuburn, with my normal luck these will be a bear to get out.



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banjo

07-31-2006 20:00:17




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 Re: time to find a machine shop in reply to banjo, 07-31-2006 19:10:27  
need to save some money if i can, i'm in way more than i had hoped. i know i can do it just wondered if there was a sure fire way and not to expensive. heavy on the not to expensive. thanks



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ih650

07-31-2006 19:57:46




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 Re: time to find a machine shop in reply to banjo, 07-31-2006 19:10:27  
Use a piece of wood on the bottom of the sleeve and a hammer. They come out easy.



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Bob

07-31-2006 20:41:38




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 Re: time to find a machine shop in reply to ih650, 07-31-2006 19:57:46  
I guess the tractors in the circles you travel must not get rust and crud in the water jacket.

I can tell you, from experience, some of those sleeves do NOT come out easily!



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banjo

07-31-2006 20:03:35




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 Re: time to find a machine shop in reply to ih650, 07-31-2006 19:57:46  
must of been typing at the same time. i have read about pounding them with wood. any particular shape of wood. is it a inside fit? otherwise it would just split. tried a dead blow hammer and just left marks in the hammer.. these will not be used again, gonna get new sleeves.



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banjo

07-31-2006 20:05:32




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 Re: time to find a machine shop in reply to banjo, 07-31-2006 20:03:35  
i have the block on the engine stand up side down and ready to go.



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Nebraska Kirk

07-31-2006 19:51:53




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 Re: time to find a machine shop in reply to banjo, 07-31-2006 19:10:27  
The only easy to remove sleeves is with a sleeve puller. The machine shop may be able to pull them for you.



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