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What do you think of this H?

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Mike CA

07-27-2006 20:25:01




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I need some honest, constructive feedback on this '47. Rear hubs have been modified to put on those ridiculously large wheels. It's also been converted to 12 volt, and gosh knows what else. I'm trepidacious about it. But it's better than anything I have found around here. How hard do you think it would be to convert it back to original?

Chat's tractors has a nice looking, good running H for $1000. But it would probably cost me another grand to get it to California. Where as I could probably get this H in Yuba City back home for the cost of gas and a trailor rental.

Anyway, please give me some experienced advice on what you think of it.

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brent in IA

07-28-2006 13:01:11




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-27-2006 20:25:01  
I noticed in the pictures there is no muffler. I wonder how much rain has gotten in there over the years, and farther into the engine?



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Fancy Farm

07-28-2006 07:53:51




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-27-2006 20:25:01  
90% of the time it is cheper to buy the show tractor than build it. Of course then it won"t be something you did. I like to to do mine my way but if that isn't important buy one already show or near show ready. There are several ways to restore a tractor there is the Dupont restoration which just consist of a cheep paint job then there is the most common restoration which includes fixing all the problems with the tractor and giving it a nice paint job, then there is the complete restoration which is rebuilding everything need it or not not many of these done many claimed but not many done. In my openion of all these choices the cheepest by far is a real nice unit ready to drive.

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Janicholson

07-28-2006 07:47:12




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-27-2006 20:25:01  
Mike, every thing about an H is enjoyable work. If you buy this tractor, (and you need to) you will stop asking us to help make engagement decisions, and start asking technical questions. That is the essence of the Farmall experience. These tractors are the foundations of technical agriculture. They were simple enough to allow farmers to repare them easily so production could go on. Tractors that failed in the field were soon towed to the scrap yard. Get into the mechanism of the tractor, and you will be pleased. buy some old text books on engines and generators and the like. they make wonderful sleep aids. Don't make your "DAD" push you into the pool. You will be happier jumping in your self. Go for it.JimN

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26Red

07-28-2006 07:31:24




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-27-2006 20:25:01  
Mike,

You should check out Wholse Tractor and Parts in Delano, CA... they usually have a few H and M parts tractors-661-721-0304.



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Mike CA

07-28-2006 08:10:50




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to 26Red, 07-28-2006 07:31:24  
Heck, thats right down the street, probably an hour's drive! I'll give them a call today! Thanks!



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26Red

07-28-2006 11:17:00




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-28-2006 08:10:50  
Guess I can't spell right- it should read wholesale tractor & parts-

11427 S. Garzoli Ave. Delano, CA 93215...

Last time I was there they had some H's and M's. They also had some modified ones with auxillary truck transmissions between the engine and original transmission- these of course were part's tractors. Those would be cool to restore... plus they would be a little more handy with all those gear combos. I think there is a AV still there with a stuck motor,the cylinder head is off... Too far for me to haul home to Minnesota...

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Mike CA

07-28-2006 11:26:00




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to 26Red, 07-28-2006 11:17:00  
I gave them a call. A guy named Bob is looking into it to see what he has. I'll have to assume that the place is so big that he has no idea? Maybe I should drive down there? I'll have to find time in my schedule.



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26Red

07-28-2006 11:51:41




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-28-2006 11:26:00  
It's a small lot- maybe 4 acres... but sometimes it's fun just to walk through and see what he has.



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Mike CA

07-28-2006 20:14:16




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to 26Red, 07-28-2006 11:51:41  
I went today. He has a lot of really beat to hell parts tractors. I will need rear wheels, and he has a number of those. So I may utilize him if the price is right. But he's not the closest tractor junkyard in my area, so I will see.

Thanks for the tip! I was able to show my wife the difference between an H and an M.



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scotty

07-28-2006 07:16:37




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-27-2006 20:25:01  
Mornin Mike, You mentioned Chats' Tractors, they have a video of a fully restored Super H, if I was a man with money (not) I would be on my way out to get it :")


scotty

ps I would be afraid to ask how much :")



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Bill in NC

07-28-2006 06:51:40




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-27-2006 20:25:01  
At the risk of sounding blunt, from reading your posts and your responses coupled with your stated aim of having a show tractor, it sure appears like you would be better off just buying somebody"s already restored tractor and then just glitzing it up to your taste.



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Rauville

07-28-2006 05:33:30




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-27-2006 20:25:01  
At any farm auction around here, that wide-front H would bring close to a $1000, probably more. In reality, the initial cost of an old tractor will be the cheaper part of the restoration project. By the time you get done completing it to your standards, you will have long forgotten what a "good deal" you got on it to start with.
The one thing about this particular tractor that can be said; it certainly appears as if the seller is trying to be as honest as possible. Good Luck

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Nebraska Cowman

07-28-2006 04:18:01




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-27-2006 20:25:01  
Oh yeah. It looks good to me. That wide front could easy be worth the price of the tractor if it has not been broke and welded too much. If it is close I'd sure go look in person but I wouldn't be afraid to bid up to $800 maybe more. Of course you are taking a chance if the transmission turns out bad and the engine needs a complete ovehaul you could end up spending more than it is worth but in that case I'd part it out, pocket the money and keep hunting.

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Mike CA

07-28-2006 08:10:06




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 07-28-2006 04:18:01  
I actually planned to break any tractor I bought down to parade rest and rebuild it. Just for the experience, because I've never done anything like that before. I thought it could be a great project for me. And my son could get involved too.



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John A.

07-27-2006 21:40:53




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-27-2006 20:25:01  
Mike, This ol H on Ebay is what I call an honest, straight forward ol girl!
Yes she does run, Not stuck, so if an OH kit is needed there is half of your battle.
Favtory wide front! enought said. Does need frount rubber!
Just as Allan said, he thought it would work as a starting point. At least that is how I too his suggestion on this ol girl, and surly she is somewhat local, at least it is in CA.
If you do not like the rear tires ad wheels, there are thousands of parted out H wheels out there, just need to get cracking at it, Personally O think they are neat, not every one has somethin like that. OBTW if you so put a loader on it, Allan in Neb has the slickest H/Loader setup anywhere around he knows the ins and outs of it all. Reat rubber is decent enought to use for a while.
The fact it has been converted to 12 v. is of no consequense. Most letter series tractors have been converted at sometime, at least this ol daarlin hasn't had the hood Butchered by some Fly-by-nigh, Would-be, Wana-be, Disgrace to farming/ranching, hacker with a Sawzall, or Cutting Torch!
The price is still at scrap metal value.
My only ? to you is this....WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR! IF it isn't too far away go see it, BID and make Her yours! OBTW ...I am in TEXAS, So there is no way I will bid against you, But If I was closer.....
Again, Seriously I think that tractor is a good starting point for someone like you. Good Luck.
Later,
John A.

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Mike CA

07-27-2006 22:22:18




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to John A., 07-27-2006 21:40:53  
Not sure what you mean by Loader... if it's a farming implement, than nope. I will be building a stright show tractor. Super shiney with some hints of chrome. But I want it to be as stock as I can get it too. (except for the chrome lol) I'm going to be switching the front end to a narrow because that is what my Grandfather had, and it's what I want. I think Allan said that it was easy to do, and wide front ends are desirable. So I could sell it or trade it.

Anyway, if enough of you guys think this is a good find, then I will bid on it at the end. I'm worried that it will climb above $500. At what point is it no longer worth it?

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CNKS

07-28-2006 06:06:18




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-27-2006 22:22:18  
At what point is it no longer worth it? -- I have not examined the ad, but anything over $1500. H's are simply too common to bring much more.



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John A.

07-28-2006 05:19:40




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-27-2006 22:22:18  
Mike, Ok , Now I understand that you want to build a show tractor! A Loader is a ....front-end Loader. A bucket assembly like device on the front of a Back-hoe tractor.
Like old and Ron both said the wide front-endis some what desireable. Personally I prefer it to the narrow ones,I tende to think that $500 is a more closer ave, depending on wear/tear/use/abuse.
The older Factory ones haave the steering arms in front of the axle like the tractor in the pic.
Now Get on Amazon or go to Barnes & Noble, or even the book/magaazine dept at Tractor Supply get....
Guy Fays, Faarmall Letter Series book! It has a lot of good Info, Tips, what to look for, Decal placement and such, ave cost is $24 there about.
This Book is specific to Farmall tractors A through SMTA, and Standards , or "Wheatland" models too.You will get a broad base of info on all IH tractors in the Series. It will help you immensely in your project.
When you have ?s fire away here for there is no better place to get Info than this site.
Git-er-Dun!
Later,
John A.

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Ron in Nebr

07-28-2006 00:16:41




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-27-2006 22:22:18  
Mike, a loader is(wow- you ARE new to this stuff aintcha...that's ok, everyone starts someplace) an attachment that goes on the front of the tractor. Maybe you're familiar with the payloaders they use in construction to put dirt into dumptrucks....a "loader" for a tractor is just an attachement that'll let you do the same thing. Basically in most cases it's a big hydraulically-operated scoop shovel used for digging and moving dirt, snow, etc., but also can be used for many other things from moving bales to pulling fenceposts to a scaffold to paint the side of yer barn. A really handy thing to have around, but not real common on "show" tractors so I'd guess you won't be wanting one.

As for that ebay H, I'd say to go for it. I'd bet there's somebody with a "using" H who would think those rear wheels were the cat's meow and would swap ya for a set of stockers. Same deal with the wide/narrow front(although I'd ask for a little boot(extra money thrown in) on the front end trade since the wide one's worth more money. Heck, I have a narrow front I'd deal with ya on if you weren't so far away....but then if I was closer to ya I'd be bidding on that H myself!!!

Good luck and keep us all posted!

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old

07-27-2006 22:37:11




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-27-2006 22:22:18  
I forgot to say that the wide front on that one if its a true IH front end can be worth more then the tractor is. A true IH wide front end can bring in $750 give or take a little



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Mike CA

07-27-2006 23:24:54




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to old, 07-27-2006 22:37:11  
Well, I won't tell him that. ;)

How do I know if it's a true IH wide front end?



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old

07-28-2006 08:24:38




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-27-2006 23:24:54  
Well other then the after market ones have some sort of tag on them I'm not sure how you tell since I have never seen a true IH wide front on an H. But I noticed the other guy siad something about it being one, so thats why I said something. An after market one can be worth up arpund $500 by the way



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old

07-27-2006 22:35:43




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-27-2006 22:22:18  
Well in my parts of the country a good running H with good tires and sheet metal will bring $1000-1500 in its work cloths. If you wheren't so far from me I have a pair that you could have for $600 choice. Both run good and both are or can be switched to 6 volts easy, one still is 6 volts the other one the genny is missing so it could go either way



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old

07-27-2006 21:13:07




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-27-2006 20:25:01  
Well if you could get it for under $500 its probably worth it. But you can figure on putting $1000 just in tires and wheels if you go back to the size that it should have on it and then maybe another $200-300 to get it back to 6 volts with a genny on it.



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Mike CA

07-27-2006 21:29:34




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to old, 07-27-2006 21:13:07  
genny? Not familiar with that. Can you explain that?



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old

07-27-2006 21:41:28




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-27-2006 21:29:34  
Short easy way to say generator since if its 12 volts it most likely has an alternator on it to switch it back to 6 volts you would need a genny/ generator. My catalog list a genny for $150 and another $57 for the regulator so you know now why I sadi $200-300 to swithc it back to 6 volts.



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Mike CA

07-27-2006 20:26:09




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 Re: What do you think of this H? in reply to Mike CA, 07-27-2006 20:25:01  
hmmm, didn't add the link. Here it is

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