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Mitsy

07-24-2006 20:19:31




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Need new or used radiator for 444, gas tractor. Can not locate anywhere. What alternative if can't locate?




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IH2444

07-25-2006 11:06:17




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 Re: IH 444 Radiator in reply to Mitsy, 07-24-2006 20:19:31  
btw the parts number for the radiator for a gas 444.
I am a bit cornfused.
the origional IH parts listing shows the following.

1 388 458 R91 RADIATOR ASSY -OPTIONAL W/405 474 R1
1 405 474 R1 RADIATOR ASSY -OPTIONAL W/388 458 R91
From the parts listing on the Diesel radiator I concluded that the bottom part number is for tractors with the cast iron HD grill option.
Wish I had a heavy duty grill for mine.

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Hugh MacKay

07-25-2006 18:16:32




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 Re: IH 444 Radiator in reply to IH2444, 07-25-2006 11:06:17  
IH2444: Why beat your head against the wall, until she tells us whether she has a British or US built 444, you don't know what radiator, nor does anyone else.



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EricB

07-25-2006 10:20:50




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 Re: IH 444 Radiator in reply to Mitsy, 07-24-2006 20:19:31  
Have you talked to a rad shop about recoring the thing. They can do wonders.



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El Toro

07-25-2006 06:04:58




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 Re: IH 444 Radiator in reply to Mitsy, 07-24-2006 20:19:31  
You can try Northern Factory Sales in MN for a new radiator. Look on the old radiator for a P/N
they may need it. Hal
1-800-328-8900



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IH2444

07-24-2006 21:56:49




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 Re: IH 444 Radiator in reply to Mitsy, 07-24-2006 20:19:31  
Did you check Case IH ? I looked a lot on the web a and did not find radiatoras for them.

However the same basic tractor is and was made by Mahindra. I don't think they are supposed to sell parts for IH, but it is done.



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Hugh Mackay

07-25-2006 01:36:34




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 Re: IH 444 Radiator in reply to IH2444, 07-24-2006 21:56:49  
IH2444: Your advice is fine if it's a British built 444, however the US built 444 will be different.



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IH2444

07-25-2006 06:13:01




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 Re: IH 444 Radiator in reply to Hugh Mackay, 07-25-2006 01:36:34  
I get Mahindra parts for my 2444 it is US built. I got discs for the brakes and rear axle seals from Mahindra, worked just like origional.
The main difference between the US and British is the electronics. Delco for US built and Lucas for British/India built.
Of course there are probably some other differences I have not ran across yet.



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Hugh MacKay

07-25-2006 11:37:15




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 Re: IH 444 Radiator in reply to IH2444, 07-25-2006 06:13:01  
IH2444: Try the entire front end including, including the steering box. US built has swept back axle, with steering box up front, different sheet metal, grill and rad. British built has straight front axle with steering box under dash.

From discussion I hear on this site, the hydraulic system may also be different.



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IH2444

07-25-2006 12:37:27




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 Re: IH 444 Radiator in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-25-2006 11:37:15  
MY US built 2444 has hydrostatic steering with two rams doing the steering, and so did the 444 which burned up in a barn a few years ago.
I dunno, perhaps they mixed and matched, but that is what I have seen. Among the US models there are 4 different hydraulic pump options.



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Hugh MacKay

07-25-2006 17:22:12




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 Re: IH 444 Radiator in reply to IH2444, 07-25-2006 12:37:27  
IH2444: Your comparing a US builtt tractor with a US built tractor and they both had hydrostatic steering with swept back front axle.

The British built 444 has a straight front axle, steering box under the dash with a drag link going to the front end along the left side. The entire front end and sheet metal are different than the US built 444 tractor.

The US power trains were shipped in from Britain less wheels, fenders, electrical, dash, fuel tank, sheet metal and nothing in front of the crankshaft. All that came to Louisville from Britain was engine, transmission and rear end all in one piece. Everything within those three castings is the same and nothing else. All other parts for the US built 444 were manufactured in the US.

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Hugh MacKay

07-24-2006 20:41:04




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 Re: IH 444 Radiator in reply to Mitsy, 07-24-2006 20:19:31  
Mitsy: There are two different IH 444 tractors Louisville US built and Doncaster British built, and they are different. Serial number plate should tell you which you have.



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Mitsy

07-26-2006 22:04:35




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 Re: IH 444 Radiator in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-24-2006 20:41:04  
My plate shows "Built in the USA" & under it it says Chicago, Ill.



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Mitsy

07-26-2006 22:02:51




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 Re: IH 444 Radiator in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-24-2006 20:41:04  
Thanks so much for all the replies! Perhaps I have found some friends to help me learn more about this tractor. My dad got sick with cancer & I came home to help out & had a very SHORT course on tractoring 101. My dad was a whiz with everything so I never learned :( plus he always said tractors were too dangerous for women so now I have much to learn.

My 444 is US built, S/N 08334. It's the existing radiator & I haven't found a GOOD radiator person for rodding it but guess it's worth a try since I'm having such a hard time locating a new or used one. I can only run it while bush hogging about 30-45 minutes in this extreme heat (S. GA) before it gets hot. Any help is very much appreciated!

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Hugh MacKay

07-27-2006 03:02:06




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 Re: IH 444 Radiator in reply to Mitsy , 07-26-2006 22:02:51  
Mitsy: Given the fact you are now telling us the tractor heats up after 30-45 min. Have you thought about the thermostat being your problem. Tractor radiators are expensive, even re-cores will run in the $250. to $400. range for these smaller tractors. It's far better to make sure these small items are not the problem before spending larger amounts on a new radiator.

Three items I would check out first; thermostat, radiator cap and clean the external cores and fins of rad. It could just be that simple.

If you find that doesn't cure the problem, then look to the radiator. New radiators or re-core at a local radiator shop will not be a lot different in price. In some areas rad shops are charging more for for a re-core than a new rad, while others give you a substancial saving. I think it is a case of rad shops that do a lot of tractor radiators, are prepared give the best price, basically because farming and tractors are their bread and butter.

Now, if you decide a new rad is your best option, I'd go right to CaseIH. We've had a lot of folks come on YT discussions complaining about offshore after market radiators not fitting the tractor, or they can't get the sheet metal back on after replacing the radiator. This has been true even with tractors that were only ever built at one plant.

This has a bit to do with why I raised the issue whether tractor was US built or British built. This occured with several models, however the 444 was the only case where the British built tractor was sold exculsively in Canada and the US built tractor was sold exclusively in the US. That is when they were new. In the past 35 years there has been a lot of cross border shopping for used tractors. Most of these tractors are probably quite close to the Canada US border. I'll bet in hindsight IH wished they had given these two tractor separate model numbers. Both the US and British built tractors used a separate sequence of serial numbers starting at 501. Probably the most grief was created for dealers. You can imagine for example when US resident, with a tractor he bought used from a trader, ( and there have been many ) went to a dealer, ordered a part only to have it not fit. The big problem here is not a lot of Americans have ever seen a British built 444, nor have a lot of Canadians ever seen a US built 444. IH did this same thing with several models, thank god the 444 was the only one they ever imported into Canada. That was bad enough as the British built 444 was a big seller in Canada. World wide I think the British built 444 out numbers the US built 444 about 5 to 1. Quite rare in tractor numbers, but it was those Canadian sales that did it.

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Mitsy

07-27-2006 17:01:32




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 Re: IH 444 Radiator in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-27-2006 03:02:06  
Hugh,

Last summer when the tractor first started getting so hot I replaced the thermostat, radiator cap & put a temperature gauge on it since the original one didn't work. The external fins & core have been cleaned.

I tried to price a new radiator last year when I bought the thermostat, etc. but IH doesn't make them anymore. I have tried co's all over the US & thus far have been unable to find anyone that can get a new radiator for this model tractor.

I guess I'll try to find someone good to rod it.

I appreciate so much your help!

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Hugh MacKay

07-27-2006 18:41:22




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 Re: IH 444 Radiator in reply to Mitsy, 07-27-2006 17:01:32  
Mitsy: You've done your homework, my apologies for underestimating your capable performance.

Last year I needed a new radiator for my Farmall 140. Bear in mind I live in a country where you can see 4 miles in every direction. Around here when you go to a tire store, it's more about tractor tires than car or pickup tires. Same at the radiator shop. These guys live off the farming community and they know it. In two days I had a re-core, it cost me $365. CAD. I am satisfied it's as good as a new one.

If I were you I'd forget about searching online. I realize towns and cities have closed in on many rural areas. Do you know any full time farmers. If close enough I'd be asking those guys where they go for re-cores. He may be running a tractor 10 time the hp of yours, but I'll be he's never bought a new rad. RE-CORES are the answer, and they are probably done within 20 miles of you.

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Mitsy

07-27-2006 19:49:27




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 Re: IH 444 Radiator in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-27-2006 18:41:22  
Thanks Hugh for the good advice. I got the radiator off tonight & am taking it to the "highest praised" radiator man around this part of the county tomorrow to see if it can be salvaged. Keep your fingers crossed for me!

Our farm used to be very rural but they four-laned the highway in front of the property then built a new elementary school across the highway several years ago so we're pretty lit up out here now. The town is still very rural & a lot of agriculture - as a matter of fact I work for the US Dept. of Agriculture but I am a loan specialist & finance infrastructure projects for local governments in 27 counties (and love it!) If we don't get more rain here though the few farmers we have left will be in lots of trouble.

Thanks again & I'll let you know how it turns out.

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