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Dean D

07-23-2006 11:19:11




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Hi just wondering why their is no plug for the oil in order to get the engine warm . My massey had a heating plug, but the international don't have one, so I'm thinking of putting a plug that heat's up the raditor fluid , think this might work.. let me know , its gets cold in Eastern Canada.




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Kit Gage in VT

07-23-2006 14:42:16




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 Re: cold start in reply to Dean D , 07-23-2006 11:19:11  
Dean,
My 300U has a headbolt heater. I plug it in about an hour before use. It helps a lot. I bought the tractor at an auction so I don"t know the history but it does appear to be original.
Good luck with your tractor.
Kit



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Dean D

07-23-2006 14:55:13




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 Re: cold start in reply to Kit Gage in VT, 07-23-2006 14:42:16  
I have no idea what a headbolt heater is.. I do have a blow plug, you turn the key on and wait for a few second, and that suppose to start the engine easier, but thats for the fuel, I persume.. A block heater is like what in a car or truck that keep the oil warm, on cold night. I thought my tractor had one of these, but it don't.. so I'm just curious about what it takes to start these tractors when it it minus 30 .

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Hugh MacKay

07-23-2006 12:12:42




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 Re: cold start in reply to Dean D , 07-23-2006 11:19:11  
Dean: What model of IH do you have? Over the years I've used circulating block heaters on several IH tractors, with excellent success.



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Dean D

07-23-2006 14:19:22




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 Re: cold start in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-23-2006 12:12:42  
I have a International 1974 harvester. serial number B9437 . I bought a thing that connects to the bottom raditor hose and you plug it in and its suppose to keep the engine warm. I assume this should work. I also like to know about the gear oil, I checked the hole near the gear shifter, and looked down and see no oil. I don't know if that good or bad thing.. I would like to know how much oil need to go in there, a friend told me its all one unit. the back hydraulic to the front. I'm not sure about this. I had a Massey 35 and it had a dip stick, to check these thing out. I have no operater's manual, for I can't find one in my area, or in Ontario canada. Anyhow let me know about these things , thank for getting back to me. Dean

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Hugh MacKay

07-23-2006 19:02:59




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 Re: cold start in reply to Dean D, 07-23-2006 14:19:22  
Dean: I looked at your thread where your asking about gear oil level. You say this tractor is a 434, serial number B9437 and a 1974 model. Something is wrong here, I would expect serial number B9437 in a 434 would be closer to 1964 than 74. I'm not exactly sure but 434 production ended somewhere between 1968 and 1972. You are in Canada so could it be a 1974 British built 444.

Now, about your question on the heater in rad hose, it should work fine whichever tractor you have. As for the manual, I saw several of them at an antique tractor show here in Ontario for the 434. I don't know the vendors name, but could probably find out. Have you looked at Binder Books site. They sell reproduction manuals for just about every IH tractor ever built, at least the US built ones. Take a look, they may have manuals for the British built tractors as well.

On your question about gear oil, and I am most familiar with US built tractors. Up until the early 60s they used fill to level plugs on side of transmission case. I suspect your British built tractor has that feature as well. Don't ask me where it is. Most of the US built tractors had it ahead of brakes and slightly below brake shaft. It will be one compartment for rear end, transmission and hydraulics.

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El Toro

07-23-2006 11:29:13




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 Re: cold start in reply to Dean D , 07-23-2006 11:19:11  
You should use a tank heater for cold starts. Hal



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Dean D

07-23-2006 14:25:14




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 Re: cold start in reply to El Toro, 07-23-2006 11:29:13  
What is a tank heater? is it like a block heater? For someone told me that, it is not all that great, the one for the hook up in the Raditor is better, let me know your info on this one..thank



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FromJB2

07-24-2006 17:43:29




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 Re: cold start in reply to Dean D , 07-23-2006 14:25:14  
Hi Dean, my Dad had B414,434,384 all the same tractor with different sheet metal and 444 is same as well.
We lived in eastern Canada and had to plug these British Diesel in when temp got below 0F. We always used the the heater that went into the bottom rad hose that you could purchase from CND Tire for about $10.00. The only problem is you have to completely drain coolant, remove lower rad hose from engine block end, cut a small hole in lower rad hose about 2" from engine block connection, piont heater element toward engine block, install from inside rad hose thru hole cut in rad hose, install outer shell of heater assy., reconnect rad hose and refill coolant.
In -30F weather 30 minutes with heater plugged in and engine will start with winter Diesel fuel and a good heavy duty battery.

Re transmission gear oil level, it is checked by removing plug at floor board by brake pedal. When tractor is level gear oil should be at bottom of check plug. Filler plug is by gear shift. Oil is 80 or 90 wt gear oil. Hydraulic oil is Hytran and is checked by filler plug behind seat. From B414 Operator manual for Hydraulic oil level: "Remove plug and check oil level. Top up until the oil is level with the top of housing".

Had good service out of the models we had.
JB2

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Dean D

07-25-2006 12:04:43




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 Re: cold start in reply to FromJB2, 07-24-2006 17:43:29  
I would like to know, what part of Eastern Canada are you from JB2? Maybe I might know you..Dean..



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FromJB2

07-25-2006 17:21:33




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 Re: cold start in reply to Dean D , 07-25-2006 12:04:43  
Hi Dean, family farm was northwest of Perth.
I left the family farm in 1969 to work for a computer company. Would always help out in spring and fall harvest time. My brother now runs the farm but usually calls on me if there is any major mechanical work to be done. He has 454,495 and 684.
Still enjoy working on the farm, totally different from solving some computer related problem.

Where are you?
JB2

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Dean D

07-25-2006 11:52:44




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 Re: cold start in reply to FromJB2, 07-24-2006 17:43:29  
I want to thank you all for the advice you have given me.. I appreciate it..Dean



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El Toro

07-23-2006 15:10:42




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 Re: cold start in reply to Dean D , 07-23-2006 14:25:14  
I've used those heaters in the radiator hose. They did a good job I had mine connected to a timer. The tank heaters are used on the larger engines. You need that heat to preheat the engine
and to heat up the oil, then you don't kill your battery during startup. Here's a web site for tank heaters. Hal


Link


Phillips and Temro have block and radiator heaters. phone # 1-800-328-6108

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Bob

07-23-2006 14:49:06




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 Re: cold start in reply to Dean D , 07-23-2006 14:25:14  
Here's a link to a catalog of cold-start products.

What tractor do you have?



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