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Haul or drive?

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BOBM25

07-21-2006 10:32:05




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I know a guy who bought a 6588 400 miles away. Cheapest hauling is 3 dollars a loaded mile, plus permits needed for wide loads in 3 states. This sounds pretty reasonable considering fuel prices and all. How crazy do you guys think it would be drive it back? IT would be cheaper than 1200 bucks, wouldn't it? Just curious to hear the replies on this one.




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ZX John

07-22-2006 05:40:50




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 Re: Haul or drive? in reply to BOBM25, 07-21-2006 10:32:05  
Check this out:

Link

(WARNING - it might have one of those stupid "Click Here" alerts that won't go away, no matter how many times you "X" the upper right corner to turn it off)

Story is, this guy is driving a W4 across Canada on a publicity trip to highlight how much farmers mean to Canadians. He started in BC, and last I heard he was in Ontario, 4 days ahead of schedule! :D

- Mind you, a vintage W4 is neither diesel, nor $25,000 - just to overhaul... :(

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Yellott Canby

07-22-2006 05:25:49




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 Re: Haul or drive? in reply to BOBM25, 07-21-2006 10:32:05  
I hauled my 1466 across that route for a ways, from Dwight,ILL, TO SE Ohio. Seemed like there was only one scale there, the kind that was only open during the week. I wouldn't even get permits. I rented a tractor from Ryder and borrowed a friends lowboy and hauled it myself.Not familar with a 6588 but figure it is articulated, a lot of ujoints turning for a long way if driven. Good Luck, YC



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Nat 2

07-21-2006 22:04:39




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 Re: Haul or drive? in reply to BOBM25, 07-21-2006 10:32:05  
One thing you might want to consider is fuel. Truck/road diesel is not the same as tractor diesel, and you'll probably only be able to get road diesel at 99.9% of the stations you pass along the way.

Now this is only nasty rumor at this point, but I have heard that running tractor diesel in a road vehicle will tear up the injector pump and injectors. The same may be true for running road diesel in a tractor.

Unless you bring your own supply of fuel, you may well spend well more than $1200 on fixing your new tractor after you've had it trucked to the local mechanic instead of to your homestead.

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1206SWMO

07-21-2006 18:49:08




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 Re: Haul or drive? in reply to BOBM25, 07-21-2006 10:32:05  
I've driven two tractors long distances home and would do a 3rd one in a heart beat.It was the most fun I've ever had.

In April 2004 I drove a MM G-1000 Vista wheatland diesel 300 miles home from Minneapolis,KS.It ran 22 mph and got just over 5 mpg.We spent one night in a motel.The MM had almost bald 18.4x34 rear tires so wasnt much worried about them.They made it fine.

In April 2006 I drove a 6030 John Deere 270 miles home from Lindsborg,KS.We spent one night in a motel.It got nearly 5.5 mpg and ran around 20 mph.It had 30.5x32 rear tires and they showed practically no wear at all.

For me it was much cheaper to drive them than to hire them hauled.We took lesser traveled roads and had no problems at all except each tractor blew a front tire.The front tires werent much good anyways and I had nice spares with me.The MM did have to have a fuel filter change on the road and we had new ones with us.Both tractors were completely checked over and had engine oil changes.

I've also driven a couple of 715 IH combines 50 miles home.

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Hugh MacKay

07-21-2006 15:38:39




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 Re: Haul or drive? in reply to BOBM25, 07-21-2006 10:32:05  
BOBM25: Load it on a truck, but definitely find another trucker. This guy is trying make excessive dollars off you. Even with fuel prices where they are today, my guess is he's hauling most loads for half that much money. Find a guy that already has the annual Interstate load permits.

On the other side of the coin, look at the real cost of roading a tractor. The fuel, lodging and meals are a mere pitance. Tractor power trains were not engineered for long haul-no load running. To start with the diesel at full throttle would be much better off under load. I remember once roading my 1066 at night, not excessively hot weather, (probably 55 F), close to 100 miles. At my destination I placed a thermometer against the transmission case just below operators platform. The reading I got at 6am was 150 F. I suspected the transmission and rear end were warmed up, as I could notice the heat in the cab, even with heather hoses shut off at engine. Now, I dare say one would often get a comparable reading working in the field, but remember the rear end and bull gears or planetaries will only be turning 30% as fast in a field situation. I never did that again, I bought a lowbed trailer, and I doubt if I ever roaded a tractor more than 5 miles after that.

By the way, the 4,000 lb implement I was pulling 20" tires, hubs were warm, in fact we had to install new bearings in one of them before putting it to work.

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Allan In NE

07-21-2006 15:55:00




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 Re: Haul or drive? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-21-2006 15:38:39  
Hi Hugh,

Bet that rear end is running more like 250 degrees in the field. Heck, yer car runs between 180 and 225 just rolling down the road. :>)

Allan



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Hugh MacKay

07-21-2006 16:07:15




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 Re: Haul or drive? in reply to Allan In NE, 07-21-2006 15:55:00  
Allan: Wouldn't argue with those figures, my temp reading was not very scientific. Your car is engineered for speed. Your tractor, while it has a road gear was not engineered for extended periods in that gear. It was engineered for the field work.

I think he said 400 miles, if on ashpalt, I'll bet that will peel somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 tread off those tires.



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Allan In NE

07-21-2006 16:12:54




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 Re: Haul or drive? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-21-2006 16:07:15  
Yeah,

I wouldn't want to do it. The rear end is loaded, then unloaded so I wouldn't worry to much about that part.

Like ya say tho, I wouldn't want to have that engine screamin' for 400 miles not to mention the tires. Seems like needless wear and tear.

I'd get a freighter to just haul the thing and be done with it.

Allan



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Allan In NE

07-21-2006 14:44:30




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 Re: Haul or drive? in reply to BOBM25, 07-21-2006 10:32:05  
Ol' George Kelly roaded a little John Deere MT across the state up here from Omaha back in the 60s.

Five hundred and some miles, took him something like two weeks on that little guy at 12 mph. :>)

Allan



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IaGary

07-21-2006 14:31:20




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 Re: Haul or drive? in reply to BOBM25, 07-21-2006 10:32:05  
20 hours and less than 150gal of fuel.

I would drive it.

Drove a combine 100 mi and friend drove a tractor 300 miles.

Good way to travel.

With loading time and unloading truck would take 8 to 10 hours.

Gary



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RustyFarmall

07-21-2006 11:27:50




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 Re: Haul or drive? in reply to BOBM25, 07-21-2006 10:32:05  
I'd have to do the math, but I don't know all the figures. How many gallons of diesel will it burn, and how much is that diesel going to cost? 400 miles will take more than one day to cover, so how much is a motel room going to cost? Meals? Also, those two lane highways do go right through a lot of towns, which can be a real hassle, especially if the tractor has dual tires?



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the tractor vet

07-21-2006 11:16:36




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 Re: Haul or drive? in reply to BOBM25, 07-21-2006 10:32:05  
Now i have driven tractors and combines for 50-60 miles but even as crazy as i am i don't thing i would do it . The longest drive i have ever made with equipment was way back when i worked construction and we roaded 6 big cat pans from Cinncy to youngstown that was a two day deal .



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evilboweviel

07-21-2006 11:07:53




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 Re: Haul or drive? in reply to BOBM25, 07-21-2006 10:32:05  
get afirm price on the permits and the ROUTE required to be driven as it may not be close to a straight shot and cost a lot more than $1200
Ron



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BOBM25

07-21-2006 11:16:27




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 Re: Haul or drive? in reply to evilboweviel, 07-21-2006 11:07:53  
The majority of the trip would be across northern Indiana, so it is a pretty straight shot across route 24, or at least the 2 lane sections of it



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the tractor vet

07-21-2006 11:27:12




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 Re: Haul or drive? in reply to BOBM25, 07-21-2006 11:16:27  
From where to where is this thing going . U S 24 is the wide and heavy route across Indiania as i have hauled some big loads across . Now if the hauler is smart enough he can get a yearly permit for AG or const. for just a few bucks . While i was haulen oversized stuff i fought with the boss for six months before he got me yearly permits for Ohio , Ind. Ill. W.Va Va. the Carolinias .Ga. Fl. Ky. and Tenn. for up to 100000 lbs and 11 foot 11 3/4 inches wide and 14 high and we did not have two hundred bucks in the package and if i had any const. or Ag equipment on i would just have to flag and go . Before they changed ind. permits you did not need one for Ag up to 14 foot but now ya do . As for me i would haul it myself with a good 20000 lbs gosseneck drain the tires get my owen permits flag it and put a bubbelgum on the truck and hammer down.

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