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Using E85 in a Distillate M tractor.

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fisherman

07-14-2006 11:35:18




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Posted this on tractor talk too but maybe there are some specific farmall men that have a little more direct experiences with the the M....anyhow, I was wondering if I could add E85 into my 49 M distillate or more so if it be converted to run on E85. I think that would be pretty neat if it could be done safely. I've also read in a past post that the distillate fuel "trash gas" or "tractor fuel" consisted of: mix 50% gas, 40% kero and 10% diesel with maybe a touch of Marvel mystery oil-

obviously not gasoline....so pound away with some good sarcatic....YOU DUMMY REMARKs (its friday). I won't get a chance to read this again until Tuesday anyhow.

I know I probable won't ever try the E85 or Distillate fuel in my M but just wondering if it is possible to utilized the '1949 Alternative Energy setup' today in my 1949 M Distillate.... I was hoping this alternative energy might match my Dempster Windmill Alternative Energy water pump :>)

The more I see things change the more they stay the same....

Have a great weekend and thanks- Scott

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Gary in Moarks

07-14-2006 19:44:02




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 Re: Using E85 in a Distillate M tractor. in reply to fisherman, 07-14-2006 11:35:18  
Ok here is my two cents worth. I've done a little research into the subject and I don't see any reason why they can't use E-85. The old timers made em work with whatever fuel they could locate and it won't be much different in the future. I have read that there are groups of farmers in the midwest that are distilling their own corn and runnign it in their work tractors as we speak, although I don't have any proof of that. True, alcohol absorbs water but thats not all bad. it also burns the alcohol/water comination. (thats what fuel line deicer is) There was alot of problems with auto carbs that had plastic floats etc in the 80's but the metal carbs in these old tractors are pretty simple and someone does or will make gaskets that are not soluable. If you want a pretty good ouline of how to convert old vehicles to run on alcohol go to the Mother Earth News website. The data is all there. (theroy, jet changes, Oxygen/fuel ratios etc) The biggest problem i see is switching back and forth between pure gas and alcohol but here in Missouri there is bill pending to make all gasoline in the state at least 10% ethanol. If we ever get a E-85 station in our little town I will convert the 460 in my farm truck to run on it. I have also been experimenting with my 95 s-10 pickup with as much as 45% ethanol without any noticable problem.

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Jonesy

07-14-2006 19:35:47




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 Re: Using E85 in a Distillate M tractor. in reply to fisherman, 07-14-2006 11:35:18  
Ive been researching E85 for sometime now. As a buisness owner with several fleet vehicals Im willing to try anything. I just bought a Flextec FFV E85 conversion kit for one of our 2005 Chevy trucks. This technology is nothing new. Matter of fact it is moving backwards to about 1925 when Henry Ford designed his model T to run on either gasoline or pure ethanol. Brazil imports no gasoline and is 100% sugarcane ethanol. I too look at my tractors and think about running ethanol in them but you need to know about E85 before filling up. It burns acidic so you need to run an additive in the oil for a while. As far as the power goes it is 110 octane so you gain far more power but loose 10% mileage. Its like running race fuel. It basically come down to WHO DO YOU SUPPORT?? The American Farmer? or OPEC? See WWW. E85fuel.com for more info

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Ron in Nebr

07-15-2006 06:24:18




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 Re: Using E85 in a Distillate M tractor. in reply to Jonesy, 07-14-2006 19:35:47  
Just a clarification- higher octane numbers by themselves won't make more power. Higher octane fuel is used in race engines because it can tolerate higher compression ratios before going into detonation.

It does this by, as 826 pointed out below, burning cooler.

So, higher octane fuel by itself in a low-compression(stock type) engine will generally make at tad LESS power.



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K.B.-826

07-14-2006 16:43:01




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 Re: Using E85 in a Distillate M tractor. in reply to fisherman, 07-14-2006 11:35:18  
Don't think I'd try it. E85 is known to quickly deteriorate certain materials used in older fuel systems, like seals and rubber packings. You may also notice a loss of power. There's fewer BTU's in a gallon of E85 than there is in gasoline.



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RustyFarmall

07-14-2006 12:34:09




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 Re: Using E85 in a Distillate M tractor. in reply to fisherman, 07-14-2006 11:35:18  
The only reason I have not tried the E-85 in my Farmalls is because it is not yet available in my area. I've been using the E-10 with absolutely no problems. The E-10 is currently higher priced than regular unleaded, price gouging?



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dhermesc

07-14-2006 11:42:00




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 Re: Using E85 in a Distillate M tractor. in reply to fisherman, 07-14-2006 11:35:18  
Never say never, if Iran and Syria jump into war E85 might be the new "regular" in the next year.



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fisherman

07-14-2006 12:07:06




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 Re: Using E85 in a Distillate M tractor. in reply to dhermesc, 07-14-2006 11:42:00  
That was actually kinda the basis for my thought since you said it.


Ya know....with all the information, duck tape, and bailing wire on this forum... the fellas here combined could probable come up with something, I don't know what... but someone invented the rubber tire, 3pt, etc...

With the knowledge on this site.... The Flex-Capacitor right around the corner!!



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dhermesc

07-14-2006 12:16:58




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 Re: Using E85 in a Distillate M tractor. in reply to fisherman, 07-14-2006 12:07:06  
"With the knowledge on this site.... The Flex-Capacitor right around the corner!!"


Only if it runs on Bull Dung.



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