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Delbert

07-10-2006 19:28:02

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Bought an old number 33 ih loader (think thats the # came out with the 300 tractors) from a neighbor this loader came off a 300 farmall. Well i mounted it on my m farmall thinking it would work like my old #30 everthing mounted alright. When i went to raise the loader it acted like it was short on oil so i put more oil in it would raise maybe about 4 feet and acted like it was out of oil. There is a couple of valves that was used on the 300 should i have used thoses on the m? Thought i might get the loader up in the air and not get it down with those valves. They are not a quick coupler but have a seat with a spring behind it they screw together has one on each hose to the cylinders. Also i had to run the motor about half throttle get it to lift. My old 30 loader it will lift at idle speed. What am i doing wrong or won,t it work on the m.Thought about putting extra reserve tank on but maybe i need newer tractor with a newer hydralic system and fully hydralic loader. Thanks Delbert

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Delbert

07-11-2006 06:41:03

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Re: Another question this time about # 33 loader ( in reply to Delbert, 07-10-2006 19:28:02

These are just single action cylinders and the lift all pump is standard that came with the tractor.

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RustyFarmall

07-11-2006 05:28:36

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Re: Another question this time about # 33 loader ( in reply to Delbert, 07-10-2006 19:28:02

I think the valves you are talking about are flow restricter valves, they will allow full flow in one direction, but will restrict the flow when the oil is going the other direction. They would normally be installed to restrict the flow when the loader is being lowered. I don't think you need them. I'm not that familiar with a #33 loader, are the cylinders 2-way? If so, you still need to have a hose attached to the other end of the cylinder, and plumbed into the fill pipe of the belly pump to act as a return. This way the other end of the cylinder is being used as a reservoir for more hydraulic oil. Another thought, you might want to look over the hoses real good, make sure you don't have another restricter valve somewhere in the line. I might be interested in those restricter valves if you decide you don't need them.

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Hugh MacKay

07-11-2006 03:16:47

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Re: Another question this time about # 33 loader ( in reply to Delbert, 07-10-2006 19:28:02

Delbert: Your right about those 33 and 33A loaders coming on market at the same time as 300 and 400, however I do know of at least 4 of those loaders sold new and mounted on letter series tractors. They also worked quite well.

Is your M belly pump or live hydraulics? If I remmember correctly 33 was trip bucket and 33A had hydraulic bucket. Both versions could be equiped with single or double action lift cylinders.

My dad had a 30 or 31 loader he bought new with an H, mounted from H to 300, wasn't happy with the move so he traded loaders for a 33A with hydraulic bucket and double action lift cylinders. It never did lift as well as the old loader. Even the old H with 30 or 31 would lift and load manure out of the pile better than the 300 with the 33A loader. I remember the IH dealer changed the lift cylinders to heavier, larger bore cylinders. They added a 5 gallon resovoir. After 2 years we gave up on the 33A loader and bought a Cockshutt 540 with a Wagner loader. This freed the 300 up for full time field work, I say this as I didn't want you to think loader was the only reason for that move. We needed another tractor and the Cockshutts of that era were much better loader tractors than Farmalls. Farmalls were the best field work tractor ever, and we wanted the 300 free of the loader.

By the way a guy came along one day bought that 33A loader, installed it on an H and was quite happy with it, so what you have can be corrected.

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Delbert

07-10-2006 19:31:35

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Re: Another question this time about # 33 loader ( in reply to Delbert, 07-10-2006 19:28:02

Fogot to say the lift all was full of oil and would only lift about 4 feet.

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Tom Graham

07-11-2006 14:41:47

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Re: Another question this time about # 33 loader ( in reply to Delbert, 07-10-2006 19:31:35

1. Are you sure your hoses are connected to the right outlets?
2. If I recall, the 30 and 31 used the other side of the lift cylinders for extra oil storage capacity. Even though the cylinders were single acting, the top side of the cylinders were connected to the top of the reservoir, when the loader was lifted extra oil flowed down to the belly pump. If only one set of hoses is used on the 33, maybe you need to add oil capacity.

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