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Farmall B cooling system - Pressurized or not

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Billy Ainsworth

07-07-2006 17:54:41




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I have a Farmall B tractor. How do I know if the cooling system is pressurized or not. I need to replace the radiator cap and I'm not sure what to get.




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Jim Becker

07-08-2006 10:30:34




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 Re: Farmall B cooling system - Pressurized or not in reply to Billy Ainsworth, 07-07-2006 17:54:41  
This thread sure has covered a lot of ground for what looked like such a simple question.

The B came with a non-pressure system. As CNKS said, inspecting the filler neck will verify whether it still takes an original cap.

Having a water pump and whether it is a pressure system are really separate questions. A water pump attachment was available for the U-2 power unit from very early on. It was a bolt on that would fit any of the C-113 engines.

The Farmall C's were all equiped with a pressure system, even though they didn't have a water pump. As Hugh said, the same pressure system was added to later Super A's. As far as I know, water pumps and pressure systems were used on all 123 engines. IH put a few big-bore engines in some C's for evaluation. I don't know if they had the water pump or not. 500 of these tractors were built. They were not built at the same time so they may not have even all been the same.

The block change during Super A production was the larger lower bore for the C-123 engines, as Hugh described. It didn't have anything to do with the cooling system. Engines with water pumps used a head gasket with smaller holes in the water passage that did alter the water flow.

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old

07-07-2006 18:05:00




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 Re: Farmall B cooling system - Pressurized or not in reply to Billy Ainsworth, 07-07-2006 17:54:41  
Most likely it isn't but it depends on the year and what some one many have done to it. If it doesn't have a water pump then its not.



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CNKS

07-07-2006 19:38:36




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 Re: Farmall B cooling system - Pressurized or not in reply to old, 07-07-2006 18:05:00  
Later Super A's and C's had pressurized radiators, the B never came that way from the factory. That is not to say someone didn't put a pressurized radiator on it. Non-pressurized caps fit on the inside of the radiator neck, pressuized ones fit on the outside. Nothing wrong is a pressurized one. But, you need to be sure the radiator is for a thermosiphon system. Since there is no water pump (unless one has been added), the non-pressurized ones have larger passages, or so I've been told.

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billy ainsworth

07-08-2006 19:30:07




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 Re: Farmall B cooling system - Pressurized or not in reply to CNKS, 07-07-2006 19:38:36  
I have received numerous replies on the cooling system,on the farmall b.Thanks everone for your help.The radiator cap fits on the inside.The overflow is inside the neck,so it is a non-pressurized system.Thanks again,BILLY Ainsworth.



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CNKS

07-07-2006 19:40:35




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 Re: Farmall B cooling system - Pressurized or not in reply to CNKS, 07-07-2006 19:38:36  
Strike the last sentence. I meant to say the ones designed for a water pump have smaller passages.



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Hugh MacKay

07-07-2006 19:06:08




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 Re: Farmall B cooling system - Pressurized or not in reply to old, 07-07-2006 18:05:00  
old: Some of the last thermosyphon cooling systems were presurized. Super A was the only model done from factory and started at serial number 336711, being sometime in early 1953. My Super A came not long after being serial number 336977.

We had this discussion some time ago, I knew my tractor had been presurized since new. Some folks claimed none of thermosyphon systems were presurized, and finally Sam in NS found the stats on the Super A and the exact serial number at time of change. There was a change in the block at serial number 310300, not sure what affect that had on coolant chamber.

Billy's B would have been non-presurized from the factory. It's unlikely anyone changed it as the presurized and non-presurized radiators are different. It may be that blocks before serial number 310300, can not be presurized. That rings a bell, if someone who knows for sure would care to comment.

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Roger46

07-07-2006 19:28:49




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 Re: Farmall B cooling system - Pressurized or not in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-07-2006 19:06:08  
I recently bought a new radiator for my Farmall B from the local tractor salvage yard and when I got it home I saw that it had a pressurized radiator cap. I have had it on the tractor for several years with no problems. I can't see what a difference it would make if the system is pressurized (I think it is better). I can't see what effect it would have on the block as they were so overdesigned anyway. I like the pressurized radiator as the non pressurized one I have on my Farmall A will leak antifreeze out the overflow when I go down a steep hill.

Also, you can tell if the radiator is for a pressurized system by where the overflow pipe is located. If it is in the upper side of the filler neck it is pressurized, but if it is down in the radiator it is a non-pressurized radiator. Roger

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Hugh MacKay

07-08-2006 03:44:05




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 Re: Farmall B cooling system - Pressurized or not in reply to Roger46, 07-07-2006 19:28:49  
Roger: I do know the difference in those rads. I can also tell you the main reason for the block change at serial number 310300. The block, part number 354898 is a C-123 block and was used at that time in Super C with a water pump. Those blocks that were used in Super A and had thicker sleeves giving the same 113 cubic inch engine, and without a water pump.

Since the larger C-123 piston and sleeve kits will fit in the old C-113 block used in early SA, also A, B and C. Therefor the changes made in the block must have been for cooling purposes. When I say this I'm thinking more of water pump being reason than presurized versus non-presurized. That is not to say what you've done will not work fine.

Back to the block, and why IH did the thicker sleeves on Super A tractors. It was less expensive to manufacture sleeves than cast two separate blocks.

The main reason I said it was unlikely anyone would put a presurized rad on a B is there were only roughly 25,000 of those presurized rads made. You were quite lucky to find one, not a lot of Supers have been junked yet.

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Bruce Wa.

07-07-2006 19:24:13




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 Re: Farmall B cooling system - Pressurized or not in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-07-2006 19:06:08  
We had a 55T baler with an A engine and it had the same pressure cap that was on the farmall H. It was a thermo syphon system.



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Hugh MacKay

07-08-2006 03:16:03




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 Re: Farmall B cooling system - Pressurized or not in reply to Bruce Wa., 07-07-2006 19:24:13  
Bruce: Do you have the engine serieal number for the 55T engine? As I recall that 55T was produced well into the 1950s and all of them would have had Super A engines. That doesn't change much other than the block did change slightly in late 1951 and they went to presurized cooling in early 53.

Bear in mind also the serial number I quoted last evening 336711 was a tractor serial number. By that time engine serial numbers would have been about 1600 higher than tractor serial numbers. Just for example, my Super A tractor serial number is 336977 and engine is 338597 a difference of 1620.

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old

07-07-2006 19:11:51




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 Re: Farmall B cooling system - Pressurized or not in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-07-2006 19:06:08  
What can I say, I can't always be right if I where then I'd be either in big trouble or_____ _____ . LOL



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