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1066 Air condtion

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JM in Merit

07-06-2006 12:14:19




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I got a 1066 with a R12 system that has a a hole somewhere up on top of cab. Can not find exactly where yet, I hope to find out for sure this weekend. But my thought is and I may be crazy, is to maybe put in a small 110 unit in instead of fixing the old R12 system and then converting it to R134 or something else. I know I will have to get a large 110 converter (will 1500 watts do or something larger) and probably upgrade the alternator.
I am not trying to ge this to get so cold as you need a coat, just something to make it bareable. I figured it up and the tractor is only used about 50 to 75 hours a year when air conditon would be really be needed. I figure the 110 unit may go out ever year or 2 but the one I am looking at cost only 89 dollars (real small, 5000 btu's) it be cheaper this route then fixing up the old R12 system then converting it.
Just wondering if any one done or what is the cost of changing a system out to R134 or something similar. I think the compressor is good but not sure about everything else. I know one of th eexhaust fans is froze right now.
I am in Texas so it does get hot down here and I am getting older where I can not take running in a cab with no air for very long.
Thanks for all the help

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davpal

07-06-2006 21:34:38




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 Re: 1066 Air condtion in reply to JM in Merit, 07-06-2006 12:14:19  
Pic up last months issue of Farm Show magazine. A guy did exactly what you are talking about with a white 2-105 I think. He used a large power inverter and installed a 5000 btu window air conditioner in the side window I think. He had the same $89 dollar each philosophy on changing them every year too. He said it works very good for him. I guess you could try to find that article. I remeber thinking it was a pretty neat idea and maybe we don't need to spend a $1000 dollars to fix an air conditioner in a tractor anymore! But somebody out there is doing what you are thinking so it does work. Good luck.

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BillyinStoughton

07-06-2006 12:59:49




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 Re: 1066 Air condtion in reply to JM in Merit, 07-06-2006 12:14:19  
The one thing to remember when converting from R-12 to R-134A is that you must change out all rubber hoses for barrier type hoses (Goodyear Galaxy for example) before the new refrigerant can be used. Not to mention that a new compressor would be in order since the above refigerants use differant oils, and you definitely don't want the two to mix. R-12 uses a mineral based oil, while R-134A uses a polyester based oil.

To make a long story short, either way you will be spending a fair amount of money no matter what direction you go. But for reliability reasons and performance reasons, I would stay away from tying to use a DC power inverter and running a small hermetic compressor on a 120V A/C system. By the time you obtain all the necessary parts you will still have a unit that is not meant to handle the vibration common in field equipment.

I've done many installs on everything from mining equipment to heavy ag equipment...and the most reliable system is still a PROPERLY installed engine driven compressor type system.

You will probably notice that your liquid and suction lines run up one of the vertical posts on your cab...this is the most common place they will leak...along with behind the compressor clutch. Check these out first.

Sorry for the long post, but it's better to fix it right the first time than to spend your money twice. And I've seen it done pleny of times.

Shoot me an email if you have anymore questions!

Billy

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JM in Merit

07-06-2006 18:08:07




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 Re: 1066 Air condtion in reply to BillyinStoughton, 07-06-2006 12:59:49  
Billy,
Thanks for the input. Vibration is one thing I was considering being a problem and also dirt and dust from baling hay etc stopping up the 110 unit. You are right it be better to fix it first time right. I just figure it going to cost allot to get her going right. Been toying with the idea saving that money and putting some more into another tractor that is in better shape than this one. I would really like to have 2 tractors. That way in winter I could work on one and not worry about getting it back in service before I needed it to feed hay again. This 1066 needs a paint job too.
What would you say would be a ball park figure for getting this this old system switched over to the new R134?
Thanks again
JM

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BillyinStoughton

07-07-2006 07:25:04




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 Re: 1066 Air conditioning in reply to JM in Merit, 07-06-2006 18:08:07  
If you took it to a shop to have it switched over to R-134A I'm gonna guess in the neighborhood of $1100 dollars: $350 for the compressor, around $200 for lined hoses, $50 in fittings and any other miscellaneous items...and probably in the range of $500 for labor.

The actual component change out typically doesn't take that long, but sometimes to fish the new hoses up the cab supports can be quite an undertaking. It also pays to spend a half hour looming some of the hoses at potential rub points to avoid future leaks. After that it's just a leak check, a good hour on the vacuum pump, then it's time to charge it with refrigerant and a good run check.

It sounds like a lot of money, but properly done it will give you years and years of dependable service.

If you decide to go this particular route, I would stay away from the ag dealerships or automotive guys. In most cases, these are guys that are trained and certified to repair A/C systems, but most of their time is spent fixing other pieces of equipment. I would recommend talking to a Thermo King or Carrier Transicold shop. They do a lot of truck refrigeration and know the nuances of these type of heavy service air conditioners...and in most cases have the same labor rates as the ag dealers or automotive shops.

Good luck! If you have any questions feel free to shoot me an email.

Billy

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Andre Konstantinov

03-26-2007 20:43:30




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 66 series Air conditioning in reply to BillyinStoughton, 07-07-2006 07:25:04  
What compressor can be substituted for what I (used to) have in my 1566?



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Allan In NE

07-06-2006 12:38:37




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 Re: 1066 Air condtion in reply to JM in Merit, 07-06-2006 12:14:19  
JM,

Are there DC to AC converters nowadays that actually work?

Back when I was with GM, people would put those things on their vehicles and they would eat alternators faster than ya could put 'em on.

Allan



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JM in Merit

07-06-2006 13:18:11




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 Re: 1066 Air condtion in reply to Allan In NE, 07-06-2006 12:38:37  
Hey Alan
I am not sure about that. That is one of my concerns. I have used transforms on small stuff but nothing big, so I may be asking for trouble here. Hopefully someone will have some experince using a transformer on something like a small air conditioner.



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