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Farmall MD fire question

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Jesse

06-21-2006 18:38:51




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I have an MD with a mag on it. It has a wire running from the side of the mag and into the manifold, to ground it maybe. I am certain I can put a distributor in place of the mag, but what exactly is the ground wire for (function)? If I replace the mag, do I still need that wire to the manifold?




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Nat 2

06-22-2006 10:14:18




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 Re: Farmall MD fire question in reply to Jesse, 06-21-2006 18:38:51  
To summarize:

In plain english, the wire goes to a kill switch inside the manifold that is flipped when you switch the tractor over to run on diesel. The wire is supposed to be there, and it has a purpose.

Also keep in mind that you need a special diesel distributor, if you go that route. The mag and distributor run backwards on a diesel, and all you'll do is break a regular one.

Get a good starter battery on there and check for spark while cranking it over. (You can't check for spark while towing the tractor.)

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Brad in WI

06-22-2006 01:48:30




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 Re: Farmall MD fire question in reply to Jesse, 06-21-2006 18:38:51  
You do have the throttle lever pushed all the way down and the diesel selection lever pushed towards the front of the tractor to start. After a minute or two, raise the throttle lever to get some smoke from the exhaust. To get it to run on diesel let off of the throttle just so it quits smoking really bad and pull back on the diesel selection lever while adding some throttle. To shut off from the running diesel postion with a mag. let the motor idle for a bit (cool down) and then just push the throttle lever all the way down.
Brad

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KEB

06-21-2006 19:32:19




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 Re: Farmall MD fire question in reply to Jesse, 06-21-2006 18:38:51  
Have a WD-6, same engine as the MD. That wire goes to a set of contacts in the manifold to ground the magneto so you don't have spark in the diesel position. Can't just ground out a distributor as you'll fry the ignition coil. I suppose you could come up with a relay arrangement to disconnect the battery from the ignition coil when that contact is grounded.

Seems to me that its more trouble than its worth, unless you already have a distributor that fits & are trying to avoid magneto repairs.

Keith

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Jesse

06-21-2006 20:02:36




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 Re: Farmall MD fire question part 2 in reply to KEB, 06-21-2006 19:32:19  
Let me ask this one then. When I got this tractor, the previous owner had increased the compression on the engine as he wanted to make this a pulling tractor. It ran to unload it and it was stored in my shed for a year. As it sits there is no kill switch on the mag, just a ground wire to the manifold from the mag. When I try to roll start it I get a puff of white smoke and it acts as it it wants to fire, it just won"t turn over/start. I added an on/off toggle switch which is grounded and tried to roll start it with the same results. What am I missing? What else can I try? This mag was supposedly rebuilt within the last two years. What am I missing? Any tips on how to get it to fire? Neither roll starting or using the starter has panned out. Any advice would be appreciated.

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Andy Martin

06-22-2006 10:52:32




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 Re: Farmall MD fire question part 2 in reply to Jesse, 06-21-2006 20:02:36  
You can always disconnect the mag ground wire to see if the mag is firing. they start and run fine with no ground wire, just takes some thinking to kill 'em.



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Bob M

06-22-2006 09:37:23




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 Re: Farmall MD fire question part 2 in reply to Jesse, 06-21-2006 20:02:36  
With a magneto the purpose of the manifold switch and ground wire is to ground (disable) the magneto when running in diesel mode. This is to extend life of the mag breaker points and the spark plugs. Consequently the manifold switch contacts OPEN to enable the mag when the decompression lever is set at the “start” position.

With a distributor however the opposite action is required. The manifold switch must CLOSE its contacts when the decomp lever is in “start” to complete a circuit feeding battery voltage to the coil/distributor for starting.

Therefore manifold switches are not interchangable between magneto and distributor-equipped engines.

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Sounds as if your mag is not making a spark. Try removing the grounding wire from the mag, then test the mag to see if it makes a spark. (Pull a wire from one of the plugs, stick a spare spark plug on the plug wire you just removed, then crank and see if you get spark.)

If you don’t get a spark the problem’s in the magneto. And there's a good chance cleaning the breaker points will fix it.

However if you do get spark either the mag is timed wrong or something else is amiss with the engine.

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the tractor vet

06-21-2006 18:52:40




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 Re: Farmall MD fire question in reply to Jesse, 06-21-2006 18:38:51  
Well now i know that you need the manifold switch as the wire from the ing. switch goes to the manifold then to the dist but i do not know if the mag switch and the one for the dist are the same here . Also you will have to find a dist. from a diesel as they do not have a centrifcal advance in them like the gassers do.



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Larry806

06-21-2006 19:13:46




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 Re: Farmall MD fire question in reply to the tractor vet, 06-21-2006 18:52:40  
And the diesel turns the other way



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the tractor vet

06-21-2006 19:22:30




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 Re: Farmall MD fire question in reply to Larry806, 06-21-2006 19:13:46  
Yea , i plum forgot to add that . Been a long day layen under a DORGE fixen the damage from a falied wheel bearing . Ya ain't never lived till ya have to install the right side axel seal on a 4X4 , now i have the tool.



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