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WNYGSEA in New

06-20-2006 19:24:53

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Is anybody going to the WNYG&SEA rally Labor day weekend? I undersdtand that the antique pulling that takes place on Thursday Night is restricted to tractors that are 1939 or older. I have a 1942 Farmall M and have pulled this tractor at this event for the last 3 years at this event. So the rules change and I am out!! But the good news is I can pull on Saturday during the event with those annoying freckin garden tractors!! This totally sucks. I am a lifetime member and I think this is a cheap deal at best. Call Roy Metz at (585) 535-7878 and let him know that this decision to limit the age of the tractor to 1939 or older is a mistake!! Last year it was 1945 or older (60 years old).

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wolfman

06-21-2006 18:31:03

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Re: Antique Tractor Rules in reply to WNYGSEA in New Yorkd, 06-20-2006 19:24:53

That's exactly why I like our old fashion Dead Weight pull with a long cable (or chain). Virtually anyone can hook and usually an M or an A, etc is the one that is hard to beat. Weight transfer pulls are ok, but horsepower rules. Speaking of M's, guy down the road has an M with more horses than a 4840! Scary just watching that beast going down the track all squirrly with the 18.4-38's whirling about 90mph. Transfer pulls are ok, but the pullers are always outsmarting the "rules".

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Nebraska Cowman

06-21-2006 14:22:46

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Re: Antique Tractor Rules in reply to WNYGSEA in New Yorkd, 06-20-2006 19:24:53

I may be a little late replying but here is my take. 39 and older are the unstyled "antique tractors". When YOU put on a pull YOU can make whatever rules YOU want. What ruins pulling is "complainers"

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FarmallMand

06-22-2006 05:27:16

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Re: Antique Tractor Rules in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 06-21-2006 14:22:46

Maybe you are right, but how do you explain the sudden change in rules. Sounds to me like there where louder complainers (whinners) when this guy.

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Nat 2

06-21-2006 05:20:59

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Re: Antique Tractor Rules in reply to WNYGSEA in New Yorkd, 06-20-2006 19:24:53

Actually, it isn't a mistake. See, there was a huge quantum leap in tractor technology around 1939, and the vastly more modern tractors like your 1942 M have a distinct advantage in competition over the tractors they replaced. Limiting the pull to tractors older than 1939 levels the playing field somewhat and helps keep the "tuners" from ruining the pull for everyone.

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BillyinStoughton

06-21-2006 07:50:51

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Re: Antique Tractor Rules in reply to Nat 2, 06-21-2006 05:20:59

Nat, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. Keeping it to 39 and earlier as compared to 45? Where is that quantum leap that supposedly took place in those years? So he could pull a 39 M but not a 45 M? It makes no sense.

If it's got a carburetor, a governor, ignition system, or cylinder head...it can be "tuned". I think the club is making a mistake by excluding some of the most popular tractors from a popular era.

I've seen some bone stock Case L models being prior 39, that put a hurting on some post 1950 tractors in the same class! Having seen umpteen thousand hooks, I would care to bet there might be a personal agenda that has something to do with this 1939 limitation.

Not trying to stir the pot here, but just conveying my opinion.

Good thread guys!

Billy

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Nat 2

06-21-2006 08:49:19

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Re: Antique Tractor Rules in reply to BillyinStoughton, 06-21-2006 07:50:51

As I understand the rules, it was "made PRIOR TO 1939." So you can't pull a 1939 M. It's too new.

Sure, you can "tune" an F-20 and get a few tenths of a horsepower out of it, but you can't overbore for high altitude 450 pistons and sleeves, install a 450 cam and crank, shave down a head and get 65HP out of the engine. You can do that with an M, though.

Maybe it's personal. Maybe it's personal against the guy that started this thread. We'll never know. But to say it doesn't make sense doesn't make sense, because it makes sense. People with deep pockets tend to ruin the competitiveness of an event. By limiting the competition to tractors that can't be heavily modified to "blow away the competition" simply because the parts to do so do not exist is one way to keep the event competitive without making too many rules complicating things.

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BillyinStoughton

06-21-2006 09:25:40

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Re: Antique Tractor Rules in reply to Nat 2, 06-21-2006 08:49:19

Deep pockets do hurt the sport in the limited divisions. Pulling is no different than racing, because it's cubic dollars...and not cubic inches that get you to that 300 foot mark. It's especially too bad in the antique classes, because it isn't so much about the win as it is seeing a good piece of history driving over the governor at the 250 foot mark.

What clubs need to do better to maintain the integrity of the antique classes, is to have a standard that applies to all manufacturers of tractors. Max RPM is a start, but why not squeeze test some of these tractors as a bare minimum if they truly are "stock"? We have a dandy pull here locally every year where the same tractors win in the antique class every year. I know the casting # on an LP head for a Farmall...I know two guys are running them...why aren't they disqualified? Stock should be "stock"...if the casting number is ground off, it should be assumed illegal.

I think part of the reason is that 90% of the crowd is coming to see the big smokers, and the antique guys are just a "warm up" to that.

Point well taken Nat. Thanks!

Billy

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