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Stan from VA farmall 230 engine??

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t.r.y.

06-20-2006 03:40:18




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Hey stan thanks for the info. I go the head off last night and found 5 1/4 valves. INtakes weren't so pretty. All the valves were razor thin. As for the block. Very little ridge on the sleeve. all cylinder compression test 100 or over. BUt not even maybe due to valves. The pistons are 3 1/8 and they appear to be dome tops. there not flat and not step head. BUt I will say its a different looking dome top. I was wondering if I can shave the head at all to get more compression of course along with the rest of the rebuild. The piston sticks out 3/8 of in. over the block edge at full stroke. The deepest part of the head is 7/8in. Thanks Stan

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Red Dave

06-20-2006 08:04:13




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 Re: Stan from VA farmall 230 engine?? in reply to t.r.y., 06-20-2006 03:40:18  
100 psi from 3 1/8 dome-top pistons is not a lot. That's less than the book calls for. If I remember correctly, IH called for 105 psi for stock, 3 inch flat-top pistons. I don't have my book in front of me right now to check for sure.

You can shave some off the head, if it hasn't been planed too much previously. I would get the valves gone over to be sure they seal, maybe have the head machined just until it's flat, then re-assemble it and check compression again.

100 psi isn't real high, but it is enough for the engine to run just fine, and depending on what you want to do with the tractor that may suit your needs.

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BobG in VA

06-20-2006 07:22:22




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 Re: Stan from VA farmall 230 engine?? in reply to t.r.y., 06-20-2006 03:40:18  
Those sound like FireCraters (looks like they have a depression or hole in the middle of the step??You should have about 142PSI compression. Get a valve job. BobG in VA



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t.r.y.

06-20-2006 09:18:09




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 Re: Stan from VA farmall 230 engine?? in reply to BobG in VA, 06-20-2006 07:22:22  
Yeah I definitely need a valve job. Do you recommnend just a valve job maybe a little shaved off( not quite sure how much because of pistons??) let the bottom end a lone>> There is very little ridge on the sleeves. cylinders very smooth. ?? not quite sure how far to go and whats to much. I just want it to be right. thanks guys



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Stan(VA).

06-20-2006 14:21:33




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 Re: Stan from VA farmall 230 engine?? in reply to t.r.y., 06-20-2006 09:18:09  
Sorry it's taken me awhile to get to this, I've been on the road all day and just getting ready to head out again.

I put two pictures in Parts & Pieces (Farmall Pistons Side/Top views) comparing 3 pistons: a x30 series firecrater; a 3-1/8" tisco overbore replacement (advertised for the Farmall C with the C-113 engine); a x40 series firecrater. The x40 series firecraters (on the right in the pictures) or the tisco replacements would obviously give you the best compression, the layout of the domes are very similar with the tisco just being squared off where the firecrater is more rounded. The last several 30/40 series motors I've put together were with the 3-1/4 tisco's which have a solid single level raised step rather than the firecrater looking dome, and a shorter compression height (about .100), so they don't have any clearance issues. I don't think these would either since they are so close to the 40 series firecraters, but worse case would require a little rounding with a dremel tool on the domes.

On the head, if you have the factory 30/40 series head, you already have the shallow combustion chamber version. IMHO If you want your tractor to last another lifetime or two (vs 1 pulling season) forget milling the head and just have them take off the minimum necessary to resurface it.

Hope it helps,
Stan(VA).

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T.r.y.

06-21-2006 03:13:37




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 Re: Stan from VA farmall 230 engine?? in reply to Stan(VA)., 06-20-2006 14:21:33  
Hi stan I looked at the pictures and none of those pistons even look similar. The sleeves are wore .006 total. with a taper of .003 So I'm going to just replace. Whats the part number of the 3 1/4 tiscos in your picture that will work with my engine?? We took some putty and reasymbled head and valves and rockers. we put the putty on the highest spot on the piston and turned over by hand tore back down and measured all clearances and we had .319 between the valve and the top of the piston at the closest point. ANy thanks for all the help. I'm trying to learn as much as I can through the process. takcare

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Stan(VA).

06-21-2006 07:38:44




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 Re: Stan from VA farmall 230 engine?? in reply to T.r.y., 06-21-2006 03:13:37  
Can you post a picture of your piston, or any part numbers stamped on them? I looked again and realize that by the time they resized my pictures even smaller than I had them it gets hard to see the dome shapes on the IH pistons (since they were not as shiny as the Tisco). If you need it I could try emailing you one of the pictures directly to get a little better view.

The Tisco in the pictures (actually all 3 pistons) are 3-1/8" not 3-1/4". The Tisco is the one you get if you order for a Farmall C with the C-113 engine (3-5/16" lower sleeve OD).

The 3-1/4" Tiscos I referenced in my earlier post look totally different. Again, they are ~1/10" shorter on compression height and have a single level, rectangular shaped, raised step on the head that sticks up maybe 1/4". They are the ones you get when you order a kit for the Super C with the C-123 engine (3-7/16" lower sleeve OD). If you have the original block in your 230 (see part numbers in the earlier thread) these won't fit without custom machining and custom O-rings.

In the earlier thread you asked about the C-135 sleeves since that motor also has 3-1/4" pistons. I was in a hurry when I posted, but they won't interchange with the C-123(Super C block) because the lower sleeve OD is slightly larger than the 3-7/16", maybe another 1/64" (didn't memorize that one). Don't recall about the pin diameters, seemed like some of the later motors went to a smaller pin but I don't have my books in front of me. I have a spare set of C-135 std altitude firecraters at home and could check but that's a whole 'nuther animal.

For the best compression, lowest cost, and easiest overhaul on that block I would recommend the tisco 3-1/8" piston set (just make sure you clean the casting flash/ridges off the top of their pistons to avoid hot spots and detonation). Or if money is no object ;) find a set of 140/240 firecraters.
Stan(VA).

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t.r.y.

06-21-2006 07:43:19




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 Re: Stan from VA farmall 230 engine?? in reply to Stan(VA)., 06-21-2006 07:38:44  
Thanks again stan I will post back later to let you know what I do and How I make out.



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