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Steve Santini

06-02-2006 11:23:36




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To all that responded to my questions: Indiana Mike, John T, Brownie, and Gene. I posted a reply but it is under the original post-not sure if anyone will see it up there or if that is the correct way to post in these conversations that go back and forth. Steve




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Keith-OR

06-02-2006 17:52:31




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 Re: SA Coil in reply to Steve Santini, 06-02-2006 11:23:36  
Steve I read your post down below or your thread about coil, 6 volt and other items.

1. 3 cell battery is 6 volt (each cap is one cell)

2. Farmall SA is positive + ground, not negative - ground

3. Coil should be hooked up - lead coming from ignition system and + hooked to the distributor.

4. I have found that one of the reason coils heat up and or fail is, that the oil has leaked out over the coarse of years. The coil is filled with transformer oil,which acts as a coolant.

Keith & Shawn

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John T

06-02-2006 13:58:45




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 Re: SA Coil in reply to Steve Santini, 06-02-2006 11:23:36  
Steve, myslef n Bob n Bob M n others have beat these coil questions to death lately it seems.

First, I agree with Bob M, now knowing the tractor is 6 volts makes it much harder to see why a 6 volt coil would get so hot????? Unless its plain old BAD orrrrr rrrr they made some 6 volt coils for different then IHC applications which may be much lower resistance then the more typical 1.2 to 1.5 or so ohms like IHC used. Sooooo get an ohmmeter and measure the coils primary winding resistance between its lil + and terminals n see what the heck it actually is...

If the coil were continually drawing current like if the ignition switch were left on it gets hotter.

Youre correct, if youre at Neg ground then the coils - wires to the distributor.

I think myself n others well described things that cause the plugs to soot up below. Id still run the hottest non resistor plugs available and use wire core plug wires and get the engine temp up and lean the carb n check for choke or air inlet restrictions n see what happens.

Let us know

John T

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Bob M

06-02-2006 12:54:54




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 Re: SA Coil in reply to Steve Santini, 06-02-2006 11:23:36  
Steve - I read through the thread below. A couple thoughts...

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You CERTAIN your SA is on 6 volts? The only way I know a coil can overheat is when a 6 volt coil is used on a 12 volt system without a ballast resistor in series.

Unless there's a partial short or something inside the coil it's virtually impossible to overheat a 6 volt coil on 6 volts!

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Before you begin diagnosing the engine "woofing", dark exhaust, etc. install a fresh set of plugs! The soot on the plugs in there now now will cause all manner of misfiring and other odd behavior. Suggest also replacing them with the hotter Champion D-21 - or the AC or Autolite equivalents. (The D-16 would be OK if the tractor is in good tune and is worked hard. But when the engine is only lightly loaded - and with the lousy quality gas we get now - the D-16 has a tendency to carbon foul very quickly.)

Good luck and keep us posted!

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Steve Santini

06-02-2006 14:08:09




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 Re: SA Coil in reply to Bob M, 06-02-2006 12:54:54  
Bob M,
Good thoughts-but the battery is a smaller 'three holer'that is it has the three plastic fill holes down the center. All I can read on it besides serial # is Champion #1, 650 CCA. So I figured this has to be a six volt battery, yes? At least I have not seen a 12 V like this, but I could be wrong. Tried to look up Champ to check serial # and ended up at exide, not much help. Is it poss that could be a 12 V. battery? Also, my tractor is a neg. ground.,
No mag just dist. There is a very slight carbon deposit insde the dist cap where the rotor makes contact for each wire-this may not be signif. of anything.
Gene what did you mean about polarity? if you are on here. Bob that had two pretty good dents in it and looked pretty old. It did have a spart but seemed kind of puny and yellow. (I was out of sun when I checked it) Well I am off to get hotter plugs before I put the new coil in. Is this 51 SA supposed to be neg ground as standard, does anyone know? Thanks for any and all input. Steve

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Nat 2

06-02-2006 20:54:40




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 Re: SA Coil in reply to Steve Santini, 06-02-2006 14:08:09  
ALL letter series Farmall tractors were POSITIVE ground from the factory. Over 50+ years, it could have been changed. With the stock system, all it took was swapping the battery cables, swapping the wires at the ammeter, swapping the wires on the coil and repolarizing the generator. All very simple tasks.

In reality, it doesn't matter which ground it is. Negative ground is better because everything that has a battery in it these days is negative ground. Less confusion when it comes time to jump start. There is no other technical advantage to one over the other... It was just how they did things in those days.

Maybe you have your coil wired up backwards?

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Steve Santini

06-02-2006 22:00:05




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 Re: SA Coil in reply to Nat 2, 06-02-2006 20:54:40  
Hi Nat,
That is a very poss thought on the coil-I got a new one and will be sure this one is wired in accordance with the tractor's wiring. Thanks
Steve



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