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6 Volt Regulator on Farmall A

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MACE

05-26-2006 17:05:03




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My farmall A has a 6 volt system. I currently have a 4 terminal 6 volt regulator on the generator. I think I may have installed the wrong regulator. This may have been causing some problems I was having with a dead short in my switch box. Every time I connect the load wire to the regulator, I get a 2-amp draw on the gauge. Should I put a 3 terminal 6 volt regulator in place of the other and rewire according to the diagram in the back of the operators manual? Or can I simple disconnect the load wire at the switch.

MACE

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MACE

05-27-2006 12:20:53




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 Re: 6 Volt Regulator on Farmall A in reply to MACE, 05-26-2006 17:05:03  
John,

Thanks for your help so far. I think I may have found the problem. 1st, I have a jumper that goes from the amp meter to the bat input (fuse) side of the switch. I don't think it should be there. 2nd. I am going to put that load wire on the bat input side of the switch to see what a difference that can make. I believe you may have just figured out what the problem is.

Thank you,

MACE



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John T

05-26-2006 17:27:46




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 Re: 6 Volt Regulator on Farmall A in reply to MACE, 05-26-2006 17:05:03  
Mace, Regardless how it was originally configured, with a 3 or 4 terminal VR, EITHER can be used and will work fine, so unless your unit is bad theres no reason to spend money on another just to have a 3 terminal VR. What polarity you at?? many VR"s will work at either. Is your genny polarized????

If you hook a wire to the LOAD terminal and it draws current UNLESS THE VR IS BAD?? it would still draw curent if placed over on the VR"s BAT terminal or the load side of the ammeter (place where loads are fed when using a 3 terminal VR, same ammeter terminal that wires to the VR"s BAT terminal) so you need to find the short or whats drawing current via that wire.

To change from a 3 terminal to a 4 terminal VR, simply connect allll loads like lights n ignition switches (often a feed wire to the switches BAT input terminal) to the VR"s LOAD terminal instead of the load (NOT to battery/starter) side of the ammeter. The Load side of the ammeter (3 or 4 wire VR) still wires to the BAT terminal on the VR regardless.

On many 4 terminal VR"s the 3 terminals together are BAT FLD LOAD while the ARM is often on one side or the bottom all by itself. Sure youre wired right?????

You need to find the cause of the current draw or short on that wire/circuit thats connected to the VR"s L terminal !!!!! !! The 4 terminal VR"s L terminal is SUPPOSED TO BE HOT you know to feed loads.

John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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MACE

05-26-2006 17:57:55




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 Re: 6 Volt Regulator on Farmall A in reply to John T, 05-26-2006 17:27:46  
John,

I measured the voltage on the load terminal. It showed 6 volts like you said. I then measured the resistance from the load wire to ground. It showed 4.2 ohms. When I connect the load wire to the resister on the bottom of the switch, I see the 2 amp load on the amp guage. I am assuming I have it wired correctly. I do not have a wiring diagram that shows where to connect a load wire to a switch. The operators manual shows that the field wire is to be connected to the resister on the bottom of the switch. Am I right?

MACE

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John T

05-27-2006 06:06:22




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 Re: 6 Volt Regulator on Farmall A in reply to MACE, 05-26-2006 17:57:55  
Mace, I fear you are comparing apples to oranges here based on different charging systems. On some older Farmalls (not sure about your tractor????) they didnt use any Voltage Regulator, only a simple 2 wire Cutout Relay. On those the gennys Field terminal wired up to the light switch which had a resistor and the field was dead grounded for high charge but grounded via that resistor for low charge. When one replaced the Cutout Relay with a VR, then the gennys Field wired to the FLD terminal on the VR, NOT up to any switch or switch resistor.

The switch resistor you mentioned may be a resistor used for light dimming or the field control resistor I referred to above, but REGARDLESS THATS NOT WHERE THE VR'S LOAD TERMINAL SHOULD BE WIRED. The VR's LOAD terminal ought to be wired to the BAT input terminal on a switch, the terminal that is the main voltage INPUT. Then the switch switches that voltage to lights or ignition etc when turned oN.

I still am not convinced the VR is bad, I think youre NOT wiring the right circuit(s) to the VR;s L terminal. NO WIRE connected to it ought to cause any continuous current draw cuz it will run the battery down. If the L terminal feeds a switches BAT input supply terminal, then theres ONLY current draw when the lights or ignition are switched ON as it should be.

Maybe Bob M's wiring diagrams may help you?? but rememember its still possible to rewire that tractor (regardless if it originally had a cutout relay or a 3 or 4 wire VR) with your new 4 terminal VR and make it work fine.

AGAIN use the 4 wire VR's LOAD terminal to feed the BAT input terminal on a switch NOT ANY SWITCH RESISTOR OR TERMINAL THAT ALWAYS CAUSES A CURRENT DRAW or the battery will run down. On 3 pole VR's or Cutout Relay systems the BAT input terminal on switches was fed off the ammeters load side terminal (same terminal that wired to BAT on a VR or Cutout Relay)

John T

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MACE

05-26-2006 17:40:43




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 Re: 6 Volt Regulator on Farmall A in reply to John T, 05-26-2006 17:27:46  
John,

My load wire goes straight to the resister terminal on the bottom of the switch. Is this correct? I have a new switch on the way, it should be here tommorow. I am not quite sure I don't have a bad regulator.

MACE



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John T

05-27-2006 06:09:45




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 Re: 6 Volt Regulator on Farmall A in reply to MACE, 05-26-2006 17:40:43  
See my post above. The VR's LOAD terminal should NOT wire to any resistor or other place that ALWAYS causes a current draw. It should wire to the BAT input terminal on a switch, the main input voltage terminal which serves loads like lights or ignition ONLY when switched to ON. Your switch may have a field control resistor (like old systems that used a 2 wire cutout relay) or a light dimming resistor THATS NOT what wires to L on a 4 terminal VR.

John T

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