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vally farm

05-26-2006 14:56:19

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I"m starting up a small fruit/veg. row crop farm and here is my problem..I"ve got a super A, super C, and a super H, but they all pull my mechanical transplanter too darn fast! Either the A or the C can be perfect if I can just figure out how to slow them down. Thought about going to smaller tires on the C, but they would have to be so small the rear end would be dragging. Any help or ideas? Did either have an optional "granny gear" available for them?? Sorry so long of a post. Mike

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Hope U see this

05-30-2006 08:59:15

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Re: Simple question, Hard answer super A,C in reply to vally farm, 05-26-2006 14:56:19

They make a slow 1st/2nd gear for these tractors. I don't remember if it was a factory option but I'm sure there was an aftermarket. You'd have to replace the gear on the top and bottom shaft. 1st gear is notoriously fast in these tractors. especialy since they were built for vegetable growers. If your still interested I'll see if I can find the info. I've included my e-mail address for you as I don't always get to read the discussion board. David (Dave BN).

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riverbend

05-26-2006 20:45:20

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Re: Simple question, Hard answer super A,C in reply to vally farm, 05-26-2006 14:56:19

What are you planting ? What spacing are you trying for ? I use my H for transplanting everything except onions and squash with a Holland transplanter. The Mechanical unit is very similar. The tractor only runs at slow idle. Set the idle screw a little on the rich side.

Otherwise, we can put in about 500 plants an hour per person by hand...

Greg

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nc140man

05-26-2006 19:02:03

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Re: Simple question, Hard answer super A,C in reply to vally farm, 05-26-2006 14:56:19

Hi Mark! What Hugh is talking about is a hydro-creeper. It would mount on the pto shaft and be driven off the tractor hydraulics. I've seen pics of them in the service manual but never in person. Scott

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Mark

05-26-2006 18:01:11

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Re: Simple question, Hard answer super A,C in reply to vally farm, 05-26-2006 14:56:19

I got to thinking (dangerous thing!) what would be nice is a throttle knob with a screw adjustment...so you could dial in the rpm's you need for the job. I've seen these before years ago....what on I forget. Airplanes have similar set up...you pull the knob out and then a collar screws it down tight. My SA does much better at a crawl speeds since I rebuilt the carburator..but, when going up one notch on the throttle quadrant..it speeds up too much. Now, if you could just turn a knob in tiny increments until the engine gave the exact speed you wanted..instead of preset notches...I think you'd find the sweet spot for transplanting.

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Steven@AZ

05-26-2006 20:30:47

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Re: Simple question, Hard answer super A,C in reply to Mark , 05-26-2006 18:01:11

Fire trucks have an incremental throttle control on the pumping engines. Push a button and pull or push for major adjustments, release the button and turn for small adjustments.

I believe the same throttle is available in over the road trucks...

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05-26-2006 17:22:16

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Re: Simple question, Hard answer super A,C in reply to vally farm, 05-26-2006 14:56:19

the super a should slow down plenty. pulled a 1 row transplanter for close to 15 years setting sweet potatoe plants. after we got up to trying to get 45-50 acres each year we went to a 2 row. the super a would go plenty slow to set plants 12" apart. ran it over a many acre with just 1 person on it. when we started expanding we had 2 people on it so we could go faster.

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Steven@AZ

05-26-2006 16:32:28

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Re: Simple question, Hard answer super A,C in reply to vally farm, 05-26-2006 14:56:19

The Super H has enough room in the torque tube area for a car transmission to in to add some more gear-reduction... if you remove the belly pump (assuming Stage I SH).

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Hugh MacKay

05-26-2006 16:25:19

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Re: Simple question, Hard answer super A,C in reply to vally farm, 05-26-2006 14:56:19

Mike: IH built a hydraulic drive, powered by SA or SC hydraulic system, equiped with a remote valve and by use of hydraulic motor powered the tractor wheels via the transmission driven pto. These worked very well for transplanting. You had to order a special clutch release bearing as the clutch pedal was depressed during operation. The regular release bearing wouldn't stand up to the job.

I have a feeling these are not plentiful, but if you can figure out the volumes, presure, etc. there are quite likely hydraulic motors that would work for this. I have some info on this somewhere. If you wish to e mail me, I'll see what I can find.

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Dave Sherburne NY

05-26-2006 18:10:14

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Re: Simple question, Hard answer super A,C in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-26-2006 16:25:19

Could you hook up a hydraulic motor with a throttle valve on the PTO?? Just a thought .

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Hugh MacKay

05-27-2006 04:41:16

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Re: Simple question, Hard answer super A,C in reply to Dave Sherburne NY, 05-26-2006 18:10:14

Dave: I expect you could, I'm not up to speed on modern day hydraulics, but that has to be the order of the day on hydrostatics.

Most of those old guys transplanting with a SA were quite happy with the 4 transmission speeds. There is a chart in my SA manual giving the regular transmission speeds and hydro creeper speeds for each gear. Without looking it up, one gets roughly a 50% speed reduction. The chart also gives a loaded speed which was substancially slower. By todays standards for hydraulic motors I don't think hydro creeper had top efficiency.

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