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Farmall A (4 position) switch getting too hot

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MACE

05-22-2006 17:42:18




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Any of you guys or gals had this happen?

I put an amp meter between the starter switch and the battery cable that goes to the light switch panel. Every time I put the instrument panel cover on the panel I see arcs and get a 1.9 amp draw every time. When I run the tractor like this with the meter in the same configuration to measure the amp draw, I see 7 amps and get an instrument panel that is quite hot with a positive rate of charge. Does this sound like I have a dead short somewhere in the switch? I had the generator and voltage regulator tested today and they both have a clean bill of health.

This 2 amp draw is killing my battery. What am I missing here?
MACE

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Cue P.

05-23-2006 09:19:13




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 Re: Farmall A (4 position) switch getting too hot in reply to MACE, 05-22-2006 17:42:18  
Double check your wiring with the 4 pos switch and voltage regulator. I had the same mistake on my W4. The 4-pos sw is supposed to be used with a cut out relay, not a voltage regulator. Though the two can be used toegther but there was a wire that wasnt supposed to be connected. Sorry i cant remember whihc wire it was. Perhaps Bob M's wiring diagrams can help.



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Bob

05-22-2006 19:57:53




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 Re: Farmall A (4 position) switch getting too hot in reply to MACE, 05-22-2006 17:42:18  
Either the switch is defective, or you have "scrambled" the wires, and have a wire with battery voltage connected to the resistor used for the generator field (on tractors without a voltage regulator).



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Dave BN

05-22-2006 19:05:14




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 Re: Farmall A (4 position) switch getting too hot in reply to MACE, 05-22-2006 17:42:18  
When you put the cover on you are grounding the cover. You might have a bad switch. Try removing wires until the current draw stops, that should narrow down the problem. Or using an OHM meter, measure wach connector to ground. It might be something shorting to the case, so try using a jumper wire to ground the cover to the tractor and see if you get sparks/current draw. Dave.



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Janicholson

05-22-2006 18:32:30




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 Re: Farmall A (4 position) switch getting too hot in reply to MACE, 05-22-2006 17:42:18  
There are resistors on the back of the switch to control the lights (and possibly the generator. These are probably touching the cover. They must not touch anything, they do get hot in use, but they are supposed to. It is shorting to the case. carefully bend them to miss the metal cover and it should be ok.
Let us know, JimN



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MACE

05-23-2006 12:39:09




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 Re: Farmall A (4 position) switch getting too hot in reply to Janicholson, 05-22-2006 18:32:30  
Jim N,

I have double checked that the resistors or anything else hot or electrical does not touch. All I do is touch the amp cover to the case (I do not put it on all of the way) and I get a 2 amp draw) When I disconnect the battery wire from the back of the switch (the one that goes to the generator) then I know longer have a 2-amp draw. Upon taking the switch completely apart the other day, I found that it has some sort of mechanical cutout internally when it is turned completly counter clockwise. It is in the round part of the switch. Does anyone know what this part of the switch is used for. BTI. I installed a new regulator, generator, and wiring harness about a year ago.

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MACE

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Janicholson

05-23-2006 17:33:41




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 Re: Farmall A (4 position) switch getting too hot in reply to MACE, 05-23-2006 12:39:09  
I'm goint to use some of your words and answer them as best I can.

All I do is touch the amp cover to the case (I do not put it on all of the way) and I get a 2 amp draw)
ANS: The cover is gounded, so it provides a path to ground for current that should not be there when the tractor is off.

When I disconnect the battery (I think your terminology is wrong, a heavy gauge wire is supposed to be connected to the Bat terminal of the cutout relay on the Gen, or the Bat terminal on the regulator if it has a three connection, or four connection Voltage reg. It attaches to the amp gauge on the opposite side to that of another big wire that goes to the starter switch battery side ) wire from the back of the switch.
Answer: The one that goes to the generator should be much smaller and hook to the F terminal of the Gen if it has a cutout relay, The voltage may be comming from a stuck cutout relay, or a generator with open brushes that is preventing correct cutout relay action. (there is a cutout relay inside a voltage regulator in addition to other control parts.)

then I know longer have a 2-amp draw.
ANS: This wire in not supposed to have voltage when stopped. This is the problem, more than likely. If the cutout relay, or voltage reg is malfunctioning, or wired incorrectly it will show voltage here. Path for the voltage is from the Brushes to the control switch L-H-D-B. The field on these generators is grounded to make field current flow through the one of the resistors on the SW when in L position, and through no resistor direstly to ground through the case when in the H position.

Ans:To check this possible generator fault, I would set it up so the current draw was happening, then disconnect the big bat connection down by the Gen. then reconnect it. If the draw returns, I think it is a stuck cutout relay. If it stops, and when reconnected stays stopped, I suspect generator problems. I hope this helps, lett me know, in a new post so it is fresh on the page.

Upon taking the switch completely apart the other day, I found that it has some sort of mechanical cutout internally when it is turned completly counter clockwise. It is in the round part of the switch.
ANS L= resistor in field circuit grounded through case. H= direct ground through case of field.
D= direct ground of field through case, and resistor (different one) in light circuit
B= no resistor in field, and no resistor in light circuit, thus Bright lights, and full charging.
I hope this works for you, I do not know if it is a regulator system or cutout only. If it has a real regulator, it should not use he L or H part of the switch and should be wired differently. Bob M's wiring diagrams will help to cure that issue. JimN

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