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Robhkent

05-22-2006 12:27:02




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Ok, heres the deal. I am having a problem getting my 560 stater to spin over with the switch and pushbutton. I have a new pushbutton switch, new key switch, and new solenoid on the starter. I have 12v coming out of the key switch and going to the pushbutton. Here is what I think the issue is, down on the solenoid, orange wire, (hooked to the right hand terminal when looking at from the seat) this wire has 12v to it all the time. This gives 12v to both sides of the pushbutton switch whenever the switch is on. The solenoid does not try to engage when you press the switch and the starter does not turn over. The wiring has new connectors, I have checked the resistance and have continuity between the correct connectors. when cleaning connectors and replacing I have been careful to follow the wiring diagram. It seems to me that I should only have 12v on that terminal when I press the pushbutton. This energizes the solenoid, and kicks the starter over. This in a perfect world results in running D282 if you ran the glow plugs long enough..... . Do I have a bad solenoid here??

Rob

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John T

05-22-2006 13:19:33




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 Re: 560D Electrical in reply to Robhkent, 05-22-2006 12:27:02  
Rob, Im a lil cornfused about what you call the "orange wire" on the solenoid thats hot all the time????? ?????

The 2 big battery cables (or a cable and a strap to starter) on the 2 big solenoid terminals are obvious, one is from the battery while the other wires to the starter motor lug with a big cable or strap which becomes hot n energized when the solenoid pulls in and closes. If that "orange" wire is attached to the big battery cable, sure, it would indeed be ALWAYS HOT and often such a wire is the main voltage feed up to an ammeter etc to power up loads like lights and the main switch etc.

To energize the solenoid so it pulls in and switches the 2 big terminals together is what requires a switched feed wire down from the push to start switch. Such an activation wire (from push switch) connects to a very small terminal somewhere on the solenoid NOT to the big battery cable terminal. You need to insure the wire down from the push switch connects to a small solenoid terminal and that when it has voltage it engages the solenoid.

On the solenoids with 2 lil terminals one is the S activation terminal (wired to pushbutton) while the other is the I terminal which is hot ONLY while the solenoid is engaged. If the solenoid is good it would engage if you use a lil jumper wire to momentarily flash the big battery supply cable over to the solenoids lil S activation terminal.

Tell us more about the orange wire and where its connected and about any wire down from the push switch to some small solenoid terminal and maybe we can guide you further..... ..

John T

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Robhkent

05-22-2006 19:17:25




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 Re: 560D Electrical in reply to John T, 05-22-2006 13:19:33  
John, Jan, Captain,

The ornage wire I am talking about is the S activation wire. I have not checked between the post for continuity on the starter. I will do that. Thanks for the ideas. Probably tomorrow evening before I can do that.

Rob



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captaink

05-22-2006 13:03:40




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 Re: 560D Electrical in reply to Robhkent, 05-22-2006 12:27:02  
On the starter, there are two large connections and one possibly two smaller ones. If you have two smaller connections, take an ohmmeter and check for continuity between the small ones and the large one that connects to the starter field coils. Hook the wire from the starter button to the OTHER small connection. The one that has continuity with the starter fields is used to provide twelve volts to something (like a coil) only when the starter is running.

Hope this helps.

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Janicholson

05-22-2006 12:38:54




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 Re: 560D Electrical in reply to Robhkent, 05-22-2006 12:27:02  
There should be at least three terms on the solenoid. Two large copper, and at least one small terminal. The switched wire from the push button (that is not hot when the button is not pushed, should go to the small terminal alone.
JimN



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