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Fredd

04-29-2006 19:04:40




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I have purchased this tractor within the month and have it torn apart in the garage. I am just trying to find the ins and outs of it along with what the IT manual doesn't tell me. What type of oil do you guys run in your 560 gas? Where do I put the hytran in at? Where do I check the hytran level at? Anyone else have a 560 with a 3rd speed heavy tillage gear? Is this common?

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CNKS

04-29-2006 19:47:12




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 Re: 560 Gas in reply to Fredd, 04-29-2006 19:04:40  
The IT manual is a repair manual, and a brief one at that. You need the operators, parts and service manuals from Binder Books. Will set you back around $150 to get all of them. At a minimum get an operator's manual. It will answer all your maintenance questions. 15W-40 oil from a major manufacturer will be fine. Premium gas? I don't think so. Compression ratio is 7.2:1, unless it has been modified. 87-88 octane should be good for something over 8:1. Perhaps if you are running it hard all day every day, I doubt if you plan on doing that. The gear was an option, as the standard 3rd gear is a little fast, no idea how many were equipped that way.

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the tractor vet

04-30-2006 09:07:35




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 Re: 560 Gas in reply to CNKS, 04-29-2006 19:47:12  
The operators manual is a good thing to have and the rest IMPO the rest is a waist of money since your not into the parts business and part no. changes as fast as one changes his socks nowdays i leave that to the dealers to keep up with . Now down to the nitty gritty since more after market parts for the %^)'s as far as engine kits go they have for the most part all gone to the pistons for the 706 with the 263 and over the years who knowes how many times that head has been plained down and caused the comp. ratio to be increased use to be a standard at the machine shops to stamp the head on how much has been removed but now today nobody does it and nobody even checks to see how thick it is they just mill it and here ya go now it is your problem . And believe me when i tell ya that running the 87 octain gas is not the way to go and a 15-40 is not the oil to run unless it meets the low ash req. , yea i know well it works for me till ya wipe out a exhaust valve and come wineing that i have a burnt exhaust valve why did this happen because ya did not ust the corret oil in the engine or i have scored sleeves and pistons why because ya have the wrong gas it it or ya have the timming set wrong or ya weened back the load screw back to far .

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Lance R.

04-30-2006 11:29:12




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 Re: 560 Gas in reply to the tractor vet, 04-30-2006 09:07:35  
Our IH mechanic gave my brother holy hell for not using low ash oil in his 606 gas. He always used 15-40 diesel oil in it. It reminds me of the oil filter comercial that said "You can pay me now or pay me later." My brother paid dearly later! As far as gas is concerned the jobber always mixes an octane booster in all of our farm gas.



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CNKS

04-30-2006 10:27:50




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 Re: 560 Gas in reply to the tractor vet, 04-30-2006 09:07:35  
"And believe me when i tell ya that running the 87 octain gas is not the way to go and a 15-40 is not the oil to run unless it meets the low ash req. , yea i know well it works for me till ya wipe out a exhaust valve and come wineing that i have a burnt exhaust valve why did this happen because ya did not ust the corret oil in the engine or i have scored sleeves and pistons why because ya have the wrong gas it it or ya have the timming set wrong or ya weened back the load screw back to far ."

I find your posts difficult to read, for obvious reasons so I usually don't read the whole thing -- you don't know it all, no one does. Many things cause engine problems, from normal wear and tear to abuse. If you listen to the engine under load, it will tell you whether you need higher octane gas, ie detonation. High octane gas and low ash oil are not going to cure abuse, or normal wear and tear. About any current oil on the market now should be better than the ones sold when IH came out with the low ash thing 30-40?? years ago. "The operators manual is a good thing to have and the rest IMPO the rest is a waist of money since your not into the parts business and part no. changes as fast as one changes his socks nowdays i leave that to the dealers to keep up with " The dealers computers change it automatically, I just give them the number and in maybe 30 seconds he can tell me whether he has it or not. And yes I am in the parts business for my own tractors. In order to be certain I'm getting the right part, I look the number up first. It is much faster than having the parts man do it.

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captaink

04-29-2006 19:39:00




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 Re: 560 Gas in reply to Fredd, 04-29-2006 19:04:40  
I had a 560 gasser with the heavy tillage 3rd. I didn't really know it unti I bought the 560 diesel I now have. The heavy tillage 3rd is a little slower, giving you more pulling power in that gear.



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Broomstacker

04-29-2006 19:24:03




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 Re: 560 Gas in reply to Fredd, 04-29-2006 19:04:40  
...and don't forget to change the hydraulic filters behind the big plate on the right side!



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The tractor vet

04-29-2006 19:19:52




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 Re: 560 Gas in reply to Fredd, 04-29-2006 19:04:40  
There is only one oil to use in any I H gasser and that is case I H low ash 30 w. and also you have to run the hightest gas in it and the Hy Tran goes in the top of the rearend on the floor by your right foot and there is a plug on the left side of the transmission housing that has a plug with what looks like a bolt sticking out of the center of it that is where ya check it by removing the bolt when the oil runs out it is full. and ya have to check and fill the PTO seperate . As far as the heavy tillage third some have it and some don't it was a option .

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Retcol

04-30-2006 04:48:36




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 Re: 560 Gas in reply to The tractor vet, 04-29-2006 19:19:52  
I had a Farmall 560 for several years. It had a 706 head on it and the tractor dynoed at 70 horsepower. I never ran high test gas in it and never had a problem. It did a lot of tillage work and used lots of gas.



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the tractor vet

04-30-2006 08:29:59




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 Re: 560 Gas in reply to Retcol, 04-30-2006 04:48:36  
Well try it today on this gas and see where your at , now i don't know what you call heavy work as your heavy work and mine may be two differant things and haulen the wife around in a cart may be heavy work for some as with most people of today just want a big toy to play with and a bigger sand box to play in but i am talken about doing a days work with one and myself i do not think that they are that hard on fuel if set correctly . Now if you are tryen to get the same power out of a lower grade fuel then yes it will use more if ya think i am kidding ya just go ahead and put one on a dyno and work her for her full rate and i am not talken about just running her up to see what it will do for peak power i am talken about maken hot water on the cooling system of the dyno at maxed out load and just see what happens on low grade gas . P/S hope ya got a big check book . After ya run the cheap stuff then run it on the high test and see what ya come up with do things like doing a EGT test keeping a close eye on water temp and you power and ofcourse the HP out put there is a differance . Like i have said i wished that i had the extra bucks to get one of them fancy digital camras and show ya the sleeves of some of the 460-560's and 706's that have tryed to use reg. unleaded gas and do real farm work . One 460 gasser that i just got done replacing the head gskt on will start to seeze while tryen to pull a full I H 560 manure spreader up a hill in 4th on 87 octain gas , Now put the 93 in it and it will run fine pullen 4x14 semi mount plows and the sleeves are all scored on it from the use of the 87 . Now i have check everything on that tractor and everything is as per the book other then the gas that is supplyed today and these problems all started in the last 10 years when they started screwen with the gas more then they did before . Now alot of this newer gas leans it's self out during combustion and when leaned out it get super hot and hear again the quality of the parts comes into play . When they were new they had Forged pistons from the factory and for a long time when ya rebuilt one the kits came with forged pistons , now today the kits ya get the pistons are CAST alu. Cast pistons can not get rid of the heat evenly and transfer the heat to the cylinder as fast and the biggest part of the heat is on the head of the piston and it swells and all of the damage occures above the top piston ring . Now they will get so hot so fast that you will never see it in the coolant temp as it take awhile to soak thru the head and upper part of the block into the water . How to cure this problem i do not have all the answers to this and calling Clevit or Seal Power and raisen holly hello falls on deaf ears from one person and i realy don't think they care as they have already got you money and if you want to get your toy back up and running again they are going to get more of it, Just like there junk head gskts that don't want to seal . They figure that if you can't go out and buy a new 100000 dollar tractor then you reealy should not be farmen and there parts that they are selling you are good enough for driven the tractors around at tractor showes as nobody that is a real farmer would ever even think of having and old tractor such as a gas burner around a farm to try and use everday. Now yes we have a few big boys over her that have the lastest and greatest but they did not make there money from from the farm , well maybe one did form selling out the guys that have had enough or got in to deep and the other daddy left them so much that they have to spend it But then there is the rest that are just scrapen by with old tired stuff that most guys restore for the showes . Lot more of the small guy just scrapen by over here then the big boy with deep pockets . So we have to make due and we see problems that most don't , and the advice that i give is as good as you boys are going to get from what we have learned the hard way.

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Marjorie Van Fossen

03-07-2009 16:02:16




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