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Tweeter

04-28-2006 06:21:54




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I have a fully charged 12 volt battery for the 12 volt system on my 330u and also a new solenoid. Everytime I turn the key to start it, the solenoid or starter clicks. If I keep turning the key ON and OFF, at some point the tractor will turn over and start. Could this be the solenoid or the starter?




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Farmall Frank

04-28-2006 18:43:04




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 Re: Starter Solenoid in reply to Tweeter, 04-28-2006 06:21:54  
Had the same problem with my 400D. Come to find out I had the wrong solenoid, trying to use a makeshift for one that was no longer produced. However, I found the right one on the NewTech web site, and for a simple price of $141, I got one that works. That's right, $141. It was either that or a new/different starter/solenoid that costs more.

I took the old solenoid apart as saw the copper plate was being ate up by the contacts. Turned it over and the same thing happened within about 50 starts. The solenoid simply couldn't handle the current, I guess.

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teddy52food

04-28-2006 15:28:27




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 Re: Starter Solenoid in reply to Tweeter, 04-28-2006 06:21:54  
It is the solenoid. He said if he clicks it a number of times, it starts. This eleminates a bad/weak battery or bad cables.



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old

04-28-2006 08:20:42




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 Re: Starter Solenoid in reply to Tweeter, 04-28-2006 06:21:54  
Well since it has a new soliniod I would guess either the ignition switch is bad or the starter its self. You could pull the starter and have it checked at a good auto parts store. Most will check them for free. If it checks out good I would say the switch is going bad



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John T

04-28-2006 08:04:58




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 Re: Starter Solenoid in reply to Tweeter, 04-28-2006 06:21:54  
Tweeter, the answer is YES it could be the starter or solenoid UNLESS its something else lol some help that is huh. Heres my approach:

1) A fully charged 12 volt battery ought to read near 12.6 volts across its terminals sitting there NOT running and around 13 to 14 or a lil over if the charging system is working and shes running at near wide open. If in doubt as to the batterys condition, have a shop Load test it to be sure. Be sure theres electrolyte above all the plates and that no cells have a gray or milky look and give her a good charge or try a know good battery substitute.

2) The next thing I would do is remove, clean n wire brush and reattach each n every battery and starter and solenoid and ground connection. ALL OF THEM including BOTH solenoid connections and the starter connection and the ground connection and BOTH battery terminals!!!!! !!!!! !!!!

3) NOW, If the battery is absolutely good,,,,, ,,all cables n grounds n connectiosn are all good (try to reground at a clean main frame bolt if any doubt of ground integrity, especially if shes grounded at a rusty or thin sheet metal seat box or battery compartment etc.),,,,, ,,,but she still occassionally clicks,,,,, ,,its EITHER the starter is going bad (often worn brushes or a pitted burned armature commutator segment) or the solenoid is at fault.

4) If youre careful and have good access to the starter solenoid and starter its possible to try n by pass the solenoid n jump start it by jumping around the solenoid with a jumper cable from the hot side of the solenoid (where big battery cable attaches) over to the starter side or direct to the starters post USE CAUTION THATS A HIGH CURRENT POTENTIALLY ARCING CONNECTION PLUS YOU DONT WANNA ACCIDENTALLY JUMP THE HOT CONNECTION TO FRAME GROUND. You could accomplish the same maybe safer by using one jumper cable to by pass jump over/around the solenoid (jump hot battery cable input terminal over to starter side or starter post) but have her ungrounded and use another jumper cable to make the battery to frame ground connection away from the starter and battery and not near amy source of fuel or escaping battery gasses.

OFTEN a solenoid clicking is a sign of a weak battery or a bad connection, so I suspect either of them before a bad starter or a bad solenoid. Check easy simple things first including the battery and alllll lllll connections and ground integrity.

Let us know

John T

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Dave BN

04-28-2006 06:49:44




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 Re: Starter Solenoid in reply to Tweeter, 04-28-2006 06:21:54  
How do you know your battery is fully charged? If you read it with a volt meter it should read about 15 volts under no load. Even that doesn't mean the battery will produce the proper amount of current. I too suspect the solenoid or wiring, but you need to be sure of the battery also. Dave



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Chad504

04-28-2006 06:44:36




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 Re: Starter Solenoid in reply to Tweeter, 04-28-2006 06:21:54  
I would check and clean all battery connections. I had a faulty solenoid, it fell apart when I was diconnectiong it to clean the terminals. In a hurry I replaced it, forgetting to clean the battery connections. Same issue. I cleaned the battey posts, and cable terminals and tightened it all up, now it starts fine.



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El Toro

04-28-2006 06:40:27




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 Re: Starter Solenoid in reply to Tweeter, 04-28-2006 06:21:54  
I think it's the solenoid. Hal



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Wild Bill

04-28-2006 06:40:25




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 Re: Starter Solenoid in reply to Tweeter, 04-28-2006 06:21:54  
Could be a loose connection, a click usually means there is low voltage or a loose/dirty/bad connection, you have aready eliminated low voltage.



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Illinois Boy

04-28-2006 07:00:45




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 Re: Starter Solenoid in reply to Wild Bill, 04-28-2006 06:40:25  
Solenoid... or... maybe the switch contacts are dirty / worn out.



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