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Needs som help with bushings PICS

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Darren In Pesot

04-24-2006 07:28:46




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Hey all,

I have a 656 with a model 2000 loader (bought with great advice from the forum by the way), and when I was switching from the forklift forks for the loader to the bucket, I pulled the pin out that mounts the forks to the loader boom, and the steel bushing from inside the hole just fell out in pieces. The hole is slightly out of round, but not too bad. What would a guy do to fix this? IH tells me they don't even list a bushing for this location, but I have a broken one here in my hand.

Here is the chunk that fell out:
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Here is the hole it fell out of:
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Here is the opposite side of the hole it fell out of:
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and here is what the other side of the tractor boom looks like..
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When I look inside the intact one, it appears to be two busings, one at each outer edge of the hole, with a grease zirk squirting into the center. The bad side seems to have been welded on and messed with, so I don't even know if that is what it looked like to start with. THe pice that fell out appears to be 3/4" wide with an ID of 1 3/16". The pins are 1 1/8".

I suppose my question is, how would you proceed to fix this thing? Does anyone know what this should look like?

Thanks,

Darren

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EricB

04-24-2006 10:03:32




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 Re: Needs som help with bushings PICS in reply to Darren In Pesotum, 04-24-2006 07:28:46  
Darren:
You'd be surprised what is available in bushings. Chances are you can pick something up that will fit. If it was an IH part to begin with it may be used on other machinery as well. If not through your IH dealer, try a general bearing supplier.
The appearance of two bushing may only be the lubrucation slot that circles the inside of a bushing to allow the grease to circulate 360 degrees. Looks repairable to me!

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captaink

04-24-2006 09:01:15




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 Re: Needs som help with bushings PICS in reply to Darren In Pesotum, 04-24-2006 07:28:46  
In addition to what Paul has said:

OUCH! If you have welder and know how to use it, great, if not well…find some one that does. I guess my first reaction would be to go check out hole-saw sizes and go to an iron supplier and find out what size tubing he has and what the wall sizes are. You have to be a bit careful because a thick walled pipe called DOM comes undersized on the inside so that it can be machined to fit whatever goes in side. Now, whatever size hole-saw and tubing size match up with what is on your loader will dictate the ones to get. Make sure that the pin will go through it. Now you can drill this out for a grease zerk and or have replaceable bushing fit into it. Your choice.

Take the hole saw and start sawing away to remove that busted up tube from the arm. A flame wrench would work, however you want as smooth and as round a hole as possible to put that new pipe you got from the iron supply place in. After you get the old one out put the new one in and then put whatever attachment to align the pin before you start welding. Now you should tack-weld the pipe in place or if you have enough room do the finish welding while you are at it. Let me know if you have questions.

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P Backus

04-24-2006 07:48:33




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 Re: Needs som help with bushings PICS in reply to Darren In Pesotum, 04-24-2006 07:28:46  
Oof! What a mess. I think I"d be tempted to torch the whole thing out and install heavy wall tubing, like the "good" side has. It looks to me like the good side has already been repaired like that, and the bad side is the original, but that"s just my opinion. Maybe even make a bushing to fit inside of it. It looks kind of "yuckled out", or you could just make a bushing to replace the one that fell out. However I have a lathe and can make whatever I need for a bushing.
Paul

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Darren In Pesotum

04-24-2006 08:01:24




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 Re: Needs som help with bushings PICS in reply to P Backus, 04-24-2006 07:48:33  
So if I torched it out and used heavy wall pipe that matched the ID of the other side, would I then just need to drill a hole into the center and tap it for a grease zirk? That looks like very heavy wall pipe in the pic, but there is actually a thin inner pipe/busing... that will spin around inside the larger outer pipe. Whether or not it is supposed to do that, I couldn't tell you...



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P Backus

04-24-2006 08:27:56




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 Re: Needs som help with bushings PICS in reply to Darren In Pesotum, 04-24-2006 08:01:24  
The way I"ve seen those made from the factory would be to have the heavy wall tubing welded into the loader arms, and then a thinner bushing, maybe even bronze (although many times it"s steel on a loader), slid inside of the tubing. I think the intention is that the bushing fits snugly in the tube, so that any wear from movement happens on the replaceable bushing and pin, rather than wearing the actual hole in the loader arm. So, you could do just like you were thinking, with a new piece of tubing welded into the loader arm, drilled for a grease zerk, but eventually that would produce an egg shaped hole again. Of course, it would last a long time before you had to worry about it again. It all depends on how much time, patience, material and equipment you have. If you lived close by, I"d just make up what you need on the lathe!
Paul

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Darren In Pesotum

04-24-2006 10:04:27




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 Re: Needs som help with bushings PICS in reply to P Backus, 04-24-2006 08:27:56  
I think what you are saying would work well. I like the idea of some "sacrificial" steel in there that I can easily replace in the future. I don't use this thing every day or anything like that, but I intend to hang on to it for a long time, and I like things being the way they should be. I just remembered that I have a client that has facilities that can do metal lathe work.. I think I'll give him a call and see what we can't work out in a trade. Thanks for your advice!

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