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jerry G.e

04-17-2006 18:54:25




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i own 4 farmall c , one only runs 0 to 5 pounds of oil pressure,all the time... did for 6 years now. dont seam to hurt the engine.don,t this seam a little odd....




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Mark

04-18-2006 09:12:18




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 Re: farmall c low oil pressure in reply to jerry G.erthofer, 04-17-2006 18:54:25  
I'll toss this your way. I cannot claim to know much about farmall's..... but I do remember the old Chevys from the same era..late 40's-early 50's. They would idle with 5 or 6 pounds and that was perfectly normal....20 pounds at operating speed. These low RPM tractor engines..regardless of the brand...don't require 40-60 psi to keep them lubed! Sure more pressure assures oil is getting forced to the bearings and if the engine was operating at 4000-6000 rpm's, I'd want that kind of pressure...even though less would be okay there as well. We have become accustomed to high pressure oil pumps and systems over the last 45 years and tend to gauge everything against that standard. Your C probably has worn bearings....unless these machines have been overhauled....they all do! Oil pressure is generally taken off the cam bearings...not the mains! And, an oil pump generally either works or it doesn't. If it is pumping oil and the prssure is low..I'd suspect bearings. If the engine doesn't knock and keeps chugging along, I'd say to hell with it and enjoy it.

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captaink

04-18-2006 11:39:00




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 Re: farmall c low oil pressure in reply to Mark , 04-18-2006 09:12:18  
Mark,

With all respect, it is engine design that determines if low oil pressure is acceptable.

The vintage Chevy’s you refer to (40’s and early 50’s) were designed to be low pressure (lower than 30 with 15 being a “normal” reading) oil systems. The connecting rod bearings were oiled by the oil pump delivering oil to troughs under the connecting rods. The connecting rods had “dippers” on them that dipped into the oil and oil lubed the bearings through a hole in the rod cap to the crank surface. Most other parts of the engine were lubricated from the "splash" from the rod dippers and catch troughs and oiling holes. Some of the older Farmalls (F-20 for example) were the same way as well as many of the V-4 Wisconsin engines. Those Chevy’s also had a notorious habit of throwing the # 5 rod through the right side of the block if they were revved to high.

However GMC trucks of the same era were a high pressure oil (normal reading 30 psi or more) system with a drilled crankshaft. The oil was supplied to the rod bearings via passages inside the crankshaft. To get the oil into the bearings it was necessary to have higher oil pressure. The F-12/14 A, B, C, H, M and newer all have the high pressure oiling systems. Normal oil pressure for these engines is over 30 pounds (M’s in good shape will have more than 60 psi).

The stock B and C (may be others also) oil pressure gauge is mounted on the oil filter base and does not take the reading off the cam bearings. If the gauge is working correctly and shows low oil pressure, then there is an issue in the engine that needs to be corrected. Since the A, B, C and a few other models are notorious for warping oil pump plates and having “chunks” of gasket missing, this is likely the cause and should be corrected since this engine is designed to have higher oil pressure. In this case not only is the oil pressure low, but also the oil volume to the crankshaft is also. Ignoring the problem may lead to premature wear inside the engine including rings and pistons.

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Mark

04-20-2006 07:39:59




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 Re: farmall c low oil pressure in reply to captaink, 04-18-2006 11:39:00  
captaink,

with all due respect to you...as it appears you are a farmall mechanic and I stated I didnt know much about them..... if the man has been running the tractor for 6 years and it hasn't siezed yet....Logic would indicate that enough oil is being forced somewhere important to keep things lubricated.

I also think many people are so hung up about some things.....they demand perfection and books specs on everything they mike or gauge.....if not, it is panic city and they grab their wallets and start buying rebuild kits, machine shop time, and hours in the garage..... .all so when they fire the engine up, the oil gauge reads maxiumum readings, they can brag on the engine...and sleep at night. Most of these tractors are like us.....getting older and beyond their prime. And as for where oil pressure is held....unless there is a restriction (bearings) in the oil gallery/system....there can be no pressure built as it (pressure) is a measurement of restriction against the pump. Most oil systems send the oil to the cam bearings FIRST and the upper engine....rockers etc. GENERALLY speaking, if the oil presure is low, it is due to worn cam bearings....and if this is the case, the rods and mains are generally worn as well. BTW, I had a 53 Chevy with 235 six...I never did throw a rod....although #5 knocked pretty bad! That was a fun old car..... ..that rod started knocking at 93 mph and I am quite sure, I could gone to 100 but backed off when the clatter got louder and louder. That rod never did let go.

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captaink

04-18-2006 09:03:47




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 Re: farmall c low oil pressure in reply to jerry G.erthofer, 04-17-2006 18:54:25  
That is way too low. It should read at least 15 to 20 at idle and more at higher RPM. My B and C both will read 40 or better cold at full throttle and 30 or better when warmed up. You may not think that the low oil pressure is causing damage, but irregardless there is a reason for it, and I strongly suggest that it be found and corrected before damage is done.



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BillWV

04-18-2006 04:38:35




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 Re: farmall c low oil pressure in reply to jerry G.erthofer, 04-17-2006 18:54:25  
They don't really need much pressure, but that seems low. If the gauge is OK, the oil pump may need repaired. They're bad about the bottom cover getting warped. Mine was warped, a bolt dropped out of it, and the gasket was blown out. Still had a little oil pressure, but after fixing the pump it reads halfway up on the gauge, hot or cold.

See this thread for more ideas.

Good luck,
Bill

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ACHodges1

04-17-2006 20:47:12




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 Re: farmall c low oil pressure in reply to jerry G.erthofer, 04-17-2006 18:54:25  
This seems real low. Especially the "0". I would screw in a different gauge and see what it is really doing.



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old

04-17-2006 18:58:51




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 Re: farmall c low oil pressure in reply to jerry G.erthofer, 04-17-2006 18:54:25  
Do you have car type gauge on it or the one that came with it ?? If its a car type then you no your problem



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