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Need advice on Farmall for cultivating garden

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Nicolas

04-14-2006 18:51:30




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I am looking for a tractor to cultivate a large garden. Seem to be lots of A's and Cubs in my area. Any suggestions on which is best? Also know of a 100 for sale, but haven't looked at it yet. This is pretty much the same as an A, right? I know the Cub is a one row tractor, what about the others? Any advice on the pros or cons of these are greatly appreciated. Thanks, Nick




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El Toro

04-15-2006 10:24:08




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 Re: Need advice on Farmall for cultivating garden in reply to Nicolas, 04-14-2006 18:51:30  
We used a C in the garden and for cultivating field corn. It will turn sharp too. I left the farm before no till came along. We raked hay with it too. Any tractor would be better than horses or mules even though they did a good job.
The Amish are still using them in SE PA. Hal



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bfarmall@netins.net

04-15-2006 04:53:20




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 Re: Need advice on Farmall for cultivating garden in reply to Nicolas, 04-14-2006 18:51:30  
You didnt say how many sq ft whether flat or hills type of soil if you are going to plow with a moldboard plow in the fall or how you are going to prepare for tilling the soil for planting. I have two As and two Bs that i mainly use for plowing,cultivating and planting sweet corn. The hand lifts are nice for cultivating as sometimes you can just use the rear tooling. What crops and how much of each in acres,sq ft or rows. It sure is nice to have several tractors so you can have different set-ups without changing everytime you need power. There are some nice roto-tillers with engines on them that could be used for working the soil and then for weeding. What method of control are you planning for WEEDs? Do you plan on fertilizer? I think you will have to decide how big and what kind of stuff am i going to grow and the biggest thing is TIME.

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Hugh MacKay

04-15-2006 03:01:08




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 Re: Need advice on Farmall for cultivating garden in reply to Nicolas, 04-14-2006 18:51:30  
Nicolas: You did say cultivate a large garden and that indicates use. Right off that word USE eliminates the Cub. I wouldn't consider the A either, in the era we now live you may as well go hydraulic.

From there I question the meaning of this terminology most folks like to use calling these tractors 1 row tractors. I ask the question, ONE ROW WHAT? Why in 1 row pumpkins a guy could do the first cultivation with a 300 hp articulated tractor, with 23" duals.

I use to do commercial vegetable production, with Farmalls Super A and 130, and over the years I've used several wheel tread settings to accomidate as many crops as possible. There is a wide variety of vegetables each requiring more or less space to grow. I finally settled in setting my Super A on 52" wheel tread and my 130 on 60" wheel tread. This allowed me to do single rows with either tractor although Super A did most of the single row work. I also have center and rear mount tool bar type cultivators for both tractors. These allow me to line cultivator shanks up for just about any row spacing I want.

I also did two 26" rows with Super A and with 130 I had the option of two 30" rows or three 20" rows. I've also used variations in between. Most of the cultivating equipment I have has been fabricated by myself using modern day ground working tools. The main factor at hand here is the amount of space each vegetable requires for successful growth.

If you would like a closer look, send me an e mail. I can give you photos and an outline on how I acheived this. I have 18 implements or attachments for these tractors, 80% of them being my own fabrications, and I'm still building. By the way I've been doing this for over 45 years. My goal has been to grow vegetables, with as little hand weeding as possible and little or no chemical weed control. It works but you must acheive ground cover with the various crops.

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Dave H (MI)

04-15-2006 06:07:19




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 Re: Need advice on Farmall for cultivating garden in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-15-2006 03:01:08  
Hi Hugh! I was mulling over the issues about the various row widths you mentioned. As a dyed in the wool vegetable gardner, I tend to think of some vegetables as "row crops" like corn, beans, root vegetables, brassicas, etc. And then there are vining plants that are not traditionally planted in rows like squash, cukes, etc. I am thinking when they came up with the term "row crop" they were thinking pre-tractor and pre-big agriculture and were using a garden plot kind of thinking. I also have it in my head that corn was pretty much the standard and that when they identified something as "one row" or "two row" they were pretty much referring to how many rows of corn it was set up for and you had to do some mental calculating to see if it would work in other situations. I have no proof or documentation, just years of experience, observation, and picking a lot of good gray-headed brains every chance I got. What does yours say to the above?

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Hugh MacKay

04-15-2006 11:43:50




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 Re: Need advice on Farmall for cultivating garden in reply to Dave H (MI), 04-15-2006 06:07:19  
Dave: As far as these row widths are concerned, history has changed a lot of the rules. When I was a kid just about everything was geared to the width of the horse's backside. Precisely the reason for 36" to 42" corn rows. We have seen corn rows come from those widths down to 30" and yes even down to 20".

What history has taught us is no matter what the crop, one aims for a canopy or ground cover quickly as possible. This is why I used 20" rows for items like radishes, carrots, onions, beets, etc; 26" rows for turnip, rutabagas, head or romaine lettuce and other quite leafy vegetables; 30" rows for peas, beans, corn, etc. I like 36" rows for cabbage, cauliflower and broccoli.

Vine crops are another matter, you spread them as far apart as they will spread; pumpkins 8' , cucumbers 5', etc. Keep them in rows in the early growth to achive cultivation.

Potatoes are the interesting one, when I was a kid we were planting those in 30" rows, then as yields increased it took more soil to keep them covered, and with that came 36" rows and some farmers are now looking at 42" rows. It's nothing more than keeping them covered. Less sun burned potatoes, plus keeping tops from coming in close proximinity to the potatoes. We have learned that if tops with blight never contact the actual potato the blight will not spread to the potato. Thus we kill the tops before digging or the rains leach blight through soil to the potatoes. Another factor with the potatoes are the long egg shaped russets for baking. Sized, those sell for a premium, and for some strange reason wide rows will increase the percentage of large baking potatoes.

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RN

04-14-2006 23:38:08




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 Re: Need advice on Farmall for cultivating garden in reply to Nicolas, 04-14-2006 18:51:30  
Check Hugh McKay postings on A,100, 130, 140s. can do a 2-12 plow about like a 9N ford, Hugh M noted that a couple 2 row cultivators exist for market gardening- not the most common but known design and home made version could be possible- front mount toolbar slides under engine, shovels slide to row width. Cub is single 12 plow, one row mostly cultivator, excellent garden and mower tractor, but a stretch for field use. 100 with right equipment should handle large garden- in Wisconsin A's and later variations were a favorite for tobacco growers, could handle large garden, small hay field and small corn patch besides tobacco. RN.

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Dave140

04-14-2006 19:14:44




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 Re: Need advice on Farmall for cultivating garden in reply to Nicolas, 04-14-2006 18:51:30  
It really depends on how large your garden is. If you are cultivating a large piece I would opt for the larger machine and preferably the 100, it has hydraulics where the A does not. Which ever one you buy they are all one row tractors and implements are not that difficult to find. Dave



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Don L C

04-14-2006 19:13:35




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 Re: Need advice on Farmall for cultivating garden in reply to Nicolas, 04-14-2006 18:51:30  
Nicolas---

All those tractors are 1 row....the Farmall A is hand lift :super A is hyd. lift :100 is later model.....the cub cuuld be either.....they all will till your garden....I would buy one with hyd, lift..... pick the one you like best.....



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Andy Martin

04-14-2006 19:11:29




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 Re: Need advice on Farmall for cultivating garden in reply to Nicolas, 04-14-2006 18:51:30  
A Cub is a great tractor for up to 20 acres. How large is your garden?

If you have a small garden, a couple of acres, the small size of the Cub will come in handy for working most of the land.



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Mark

04-14-2006 21:25:39




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 Re: Need advice on Farmall for cultivating garden in reply to Andy Martin, 04-14-2006 19:11:29  
Hmmm, I have a Cub and a Super A with cultivators. The Cub is a cutey, but the SA is almost a tractor. You'll appreciate the extra weight the SuperA/100 series offer. Figure a Super A as a Cub on steroids.



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Nat 2

04-15-2006 11:04:08




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 Re: Need advice on Farmall for cultivating garden in reply to Mark , 04-14-2006 21:25:39  
Actually, a Cub is just a Super A that someone dunked in ice water :)



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Hugh MacKay

04-15-2006 14:55:33




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 Re: Need advice on Farmall for cultivating garden in reply to Nat 2, 04-15-2006 11:04:08  
Nat: Actually I disagree with both of you, the Cub is not even closely related to other Farmalls. Completely different engine, flat head, with no sleeves, It's governed speed range is well over 2,000 rpm. PTO turns opposite direction and about twice the standard 540 PTO. 3 speed transmission with much different ratios from larger tractors.

The Super A, 100, 130 and 140 on the other hand have a fully sleeved, overhead valve engine, that has roughly the same governed speed range of all the large Farmalls of the 50s. The PTO is 540 and same size standard shaft as all large 540 PTO tractors. They have a two valve hydraulic rochshafts and a remote valve was optional. The 4 speed transmission is very close to same ratios as the Super C, 200, etc. Very simply put this group is capable of working right along with the big boys.

In 1958 my dad bought new a Farmall 130. He already had a 300 and a Cockshutt loader tractor. The 130 pulled a 2x12 plow or the 130 bushel manure spreader and the 300 did the other job, except the 300 plow was 2x14. The very first year my dad and I ever plowed 100 acres, the Farmall 130 did it. We had a farm woodlot and every year we harvested from that. We hired two guys to cut and pile 158 cords of 4' wood, in the fall on 61. We had planned on hauling that wood from the bush with 300 quickly after Christmas, before we sent 300 off for it's first rebuild. The clutch played out on us we ended up pulling the sleds with 130. It pulled the 158 cords from the bush in 113 loads. Quite simply put these little offsets will out pull all other Farmalls as a percentage of their own weight. On a percentage of their own weight pull the Super A will place 1st, Super H -2nd, Super M - 3rd and Super C - 4th. Do you want to give it a test.

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