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Nickc711

04-10-2006 18:39:09




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I just got a new battery(6v) for my super a & the battery cabels were smoking... so i got the advice to clean the terminals off the new battery...WORKED fine...until i tried to start again then started smoking again....I tried cleaning the leads again but no luck....When i crank on it it barely turns over and the neg & pos cabels smoke..Yes it is hooked up correctly & polirized correctly...Yes it is fully charged..Whats up?????

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marty johns

04-11-2006 18:42:14




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 Re: Super A Starting Troubles... in reply to Nickc711, 04-10-2006 18:39:09  
I recently rewired (complete) a farmall A (approx 1945) I used 110V # 6 wire for the battery cables! they have not smoked at all! But am now having starting problems also! In your opinion is that the problem?



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Nickc711

04-11-2006 17:07:29




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 Re: Super A Starting Troubles... in reply to Nickc711, 04-10-2006 18:39:09  
I fixed it i cleaned the neg cabel where it connected to starter..runs fine



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Brownie 45

04-11-2006 11:35:12




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 Re: Super A Starting Troubles... in reply to Nickc711, 04-10-2006 18:39:09  
Check for an intermittent short to ground at the starter switch & also at the starter itself. The starter switch can cause trouble after time.



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El Toro

04-11-2006 04:14:22




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 Re: Super A Starting Troubles... in reply to Nickc711, 04-10-2006 18:39:09  
I would use 00 battery cables. You can make your own or buy them from a truck center that works on semi's truck tractors. Hal



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Hugh MacKay

04-11-2006 02:06:44




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 Re: Super A Starting Troubles... in reply to Nickc711, 04-10-2006 18:39:09  
Nick: I have to agree with guys like old and Paul. For 6 volt those cables got be O gauge. Older cables also break down. I started a good 40 years ago, every 8 to 10 years a vehicle gets new battery cables, regardless of how they look. It has paid off for me, I get exceptional battery life, for a northern climate.

I've just put a new 6 volt battery in my Super A. The last new battery was installed 13 years ago. The last new O gauge cables with soldered on ends were installed about 4 years ago.

I've seen this many times, all the way from SA to 6 cylinder turbo diesels, tractor gets a bit sluggish on starting. Most guys run out and buy a new battery without even giving a thought to cables. Some even refuse to believe it may be nothing more than cables. I remember once being around a construction site, a young lad had been sent to get this Deere excavator. He asked me to give him a boost. I replied, " The way that machine turned over first 3 turns of starter, it's the cables, you don't need a boost". I helped him and with a combination of 6 sets of vice grips, and two heavy jump cables (not to my battery) were had that thing turning over A-one. Interesting thing is the owner manager of the company appeared on the sceene, saw my contraption hook up, decided that Deere needed new batteries. They put in the new batteries, same old cables and within 10 days, starting problems were back. The owner would not give in to the fact it needed cables, they wasted a hour everyday getting that machine going. Three months later the company was out of business.

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Will Sick

04-10-2006 19:17:10




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 Re: Super A Starting Troubles... in reply to Nickc711, 04-10-2006 18:39:09  
You may have the cable that goes to starter touching bare metal or the starter could be going bad. Does it turn over?



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Nickc711

04-10-2006 19:40:52




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 Re: Super A Starting Troubles... in reply to Will Sick, 04-10-2006 19:17:10  
ya..it turns over afer i got the battery after i cleaned the terminals off it was turning over like a bugger and no smoke.. but i went to start it the next day and it was smoking and barely starting.. thats why im confused... and the battery is fully charged i checked that..



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old

04-10-2006 19:13:03




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 Re: Super A Starting Troubles... in reply to Nickc711, 04-10-2006 18:39:09  
Think about what makes something like that smoke. The cables are getting hot which means there bad or way to small for the load your putting on them. You need to replace your battery cables. Don't just go to and auto parts store and buy them #4 cables because they will smoke with in a week. You need cables made with 0 or 00 wire nothing smaller.

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Paul Shuler

04-10-2006 18:50:23




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 Re: Super A Starting Troubles... in reply to Nickc711, 04-10-2006 18:39:09  
My first guess is bad cables or to small cables. They can look good on the outside and be a mess on the inside. And 6v systems need a big gauge cable to work correctly. For my H I had a generator shop make me some out of large welding cable. Made a big difference in how it started.



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NIckc711

04-10-2006 19:09:58




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 Re: Super A Starting Troubles... in reply to Paul Shuler, 04-10-2006 18:50:23  
it worked before



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old

04-10-2006 20:36:06




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 Re: Super A Starting Troubles... in reply to NIckc711, 04-10-2006 19:09:58  
Ya it may have worked before but, cables go bad and the hotter they get the faster they go bad. Sort of like if you put a load on a 4X4 board then light it on fire, well it will hold a long time but then all at once it will give out. Same thing applys with battery cables, you may have smoked them one to many times



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