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New 460 Owner-Lots of Q's

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marksd

04-08-2006 13:35:15




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Hello Everyone, Well I just brought home a 460 farmall today. It is sure alot different than the M I have already. I do have some questions though. I was told it had power steering but it doesn't. So if there a place to check for fluid for the power steering? If so what kind of fluid does it use. Also on the right side of the dash console there is 3 levers. From what I can determine the 1st two must be for 2 remotes hydraulic outlets. One under the battery area and one at the rear of the tractor. All I hear is a whining noise when I move them. The there is a 3rd on the end of the 2 that raises up the 2pt. Am I correct about the levers? Also where is the fluid for those at and do you just use reg. hydraulic fluid or hy-trans or?

How hard is it to cover the 2pt fast hitch to use 3pt stuff? Also does the 2pt have down pressure or only lift?

Now I have read that the 460 is rated at 1850rpms. What does that mean? Can you run it faster than 1850? I also see that the guage has a 540 pto symbol on it. Do you run PTO stuff at that RPM?

I am in the process of ordering a 460 manual for it so I have some idea. But does anyone have a good 460 info site and also serial number splits for what years. It also has a farmhand loader that used a PTO pump for running the loader.

Sorry for all the questions and thanks for all your help.

Mark

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Marksd

04-08-2006 19:15:46




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 Re: New 460 Owner-Lots of Q's in reply to marksd, 04-08-2006 13:35:15  
I know I asked about the RPM, if you were driving down the road in 5th, whats the max rpm you can run. I think my guage says 2200 but like I said before I thought I read rated is 1850. Can you just run them where ever the throttle can go to not past the 1850? Thanks

Oh speaking about the 5th gear. Is it normal for it to seem like it takes alot of riding the clutch to get going in 5th gear?

Oh can the clutch be adjusted also. I have to let is almost all the way out before it grabs.

Man the more I talk the more I think of questions.

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Janicholson

04-09-2006 09:13:17




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 Re: New 460 Owner-Lots of Q's in reply to Marksd, 04-08-2006 19:15:46  
Do not worry about going over the rated 1850 RPM, that speed is the maximum rated speed for torque/horsepower. Usually the result of running wide open, and using the tractor on a load that draws it down to that speed.

Start in fifth with the TA back, get up to speed in fifth TA, then ---without pushing the clutch in----, move the TA lever briskly forward, not slowly. This should make it much easier to reduce clutch slippage, because the TA is a clutch driven 2 speed system. If the TA is not working, this will point that fact out. If the tractor does not move in fifth TA, the TA is broken, and needs repaired. (do not use the TA if it fails this test)

The TA, when engaged (back) is free wheeling, do not let the tractor go down hill freely with the TA back it may overspeed the TA and wreck it, and it is dangerous. If you here a whining noise like a jet starting, from the trans area, you may be overspeeding the TA.

The TA is marvelous learn to use it (and read info from the archives here)

The clutch should be adjused (linkage on rods) so that it has about 3/4" to an inch of free play between the pedal stop, and the platform casting.
This is a ball park size, the manual will have exact specs.

JimN

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Marksd

04-09-2006 16:04:40




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 Re: New 460 Owner-Lots of Q's in reply to Janicholson, 04-09-2006 09:13:17  
JimN,

You answered my questions about the levers. Now as soon as you start the tractor there is that whin, like it is out of fluid. Also raising the 2pt makes alot of whining, so that make me think that it is low on fluid also. Would that make sense? Where do you drain and fill the hy trans fluid at?



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Marksd

04-09-2006 15:59:15




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 Re: New 460 Owner-Lots of Q's in reply to Janicholson, 04-09-2006 09:13:17  
JimN, Is teh TA an extra set of gears or just a clutch? Like is 1st gear it goes real slow with the TA engaged (back to the rear, right?). The once you push it forward the tractor feels like it jumps into fast gear or something. I tried the TA in 4th and 5th and it really didn't move the tractor. So is the TA bad? I was watching the clutch linkage and I noticed down by the trans case the linkage has bolts in slots then move. So when you enage the TA it looks like your not really moving much on the linkages. Is that normal? The TA doesn't use any of the hydraulics do they?

Also the clutch looks like I can push it in about 1 inch before it starts to take it out of gear. Is that normal?

If the TA clutch is bad is it a big job to change?

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Janicholson

04-09-2006 20:51:12




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 Re: New 460 Owner-Lots of Q's in reply to Marksd, 04-09-2006 15:59:15  
It will whine some no matter what.
The hydraulic system should be checked with a high pressure gauge, and a flow rater (meeter that shows flow rate. Do check the fluid level From the book.

The TA is a Planetary gear set with two clutches, a TA clutch, and a Primary (regular) clutch. It also has a overrunning (one way clutch that looks kinda like a roller bearing). If the TA clutch is out, or the one way clutch is bad, it will not pull a load in TA position (it may kinda work with no load in low gear, or second, or from no TA to TA in any gear till a load is placed on it. I would get it repaired, The TA is a fine feature and "makes" the tractor way more flexible and handy. It may cost a bunch if all is done by others. Or you can have an adventure. (requires splitting the tractor into three pieces).
Getting a book is the most important thing you can do. From here, or binder books, or Ebay.
Keep in touch,
JimN

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Marksd

04-09-2006 20:54:26




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 Re: New 460 Owner-Lots of Q's in reply to Janicholson, 04-09-2006 20:51:12  
JimN,
What book do I need. Do I need the I&T service shop manual IT-25. Does that show all that stuff?



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Janicholson

04-10-2006 06:23:27




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 Re: New 460 Owner-Lots of Q's in reply to Marksd, 04-09-2006 20:54:26  
It would be best if (with what I gather is your experience level with IH, it is all an adventure) to have The IT service manual, a original Farmall Owners manual, and a Farmall service manual. The differences sometimes give perspective not found in only one book. It is very much OK to run the tractor in Direct (NO TA) drive. It will not hurt a thing till you get around to the repair. Shifting from 4th to fifth with a pause between gears (or learn to sync shift /double clutch and throttle down at the same time), will get it going in fifth (there will be a bit of grind into high, consider it normal) Keep us in the loop,
JimN

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Marksd

04-10-2006 07:42:10




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 Re: New 460 Owner-Lots of Q's in reply to Janicholson, 04-10-2006 06:23:27  
JimN,

I have the owners manual on the way. I will then get the IT-25 service manual and I will look for that farmall manual you mentioned. I plan on baling hay with the tractor. Also in TA, what are the speeds of the gears? I assume they are alot slower.

Thanks alot for everyones help.



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Janicholson

04-10-2006 11:27:49




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 Re: New 460 Owner-Lots of Q's in reply to Marksd, 04-10-2006 07:42:10  
The ratio is very close to 30%. I would run the tractor without using the TA this summer. The recommended TA replacement is a Hy. Capacity HD TA.
These have few problems and a good reputation.
Rebuilding it in the winter will be easier. You will love the TA, it is a main feature. Look below your other post for 1066 TA question for sourcing.
JimN



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marksd

04-11-2006 09:53:12




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 Re: New 460 Owner-Lots of Q's in reply to Janicholson, 04-10-2006 11:27:49  
Hey Jim, Did you mean 966 not 1066? In any case all I found was a link to another site and there was a link there to a leanman tractor. If you have an website to places to buy part could you email me or post here. Thanks



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Marksd

04-08-2006 18:48:34




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 Re: New 460 Owner-Lots of Q's in reply to marksd, 04-08-2006 13:35:15  
Thanks for the replies so far. I looked and there is lines going to the front and I found what looks like a pump down under the front. I can run the 2pt up and down but it is slow and also it makes a whining noise. I thought maybe the hydraulic fluid is low. Is there a dipstick or petcock to check the levels? Where are the filters located at? I know where the oil is on the engine but no others. What kind of engine oil do you run in there? Also about hydraulic fluid, most places around here carry Harvest King brand (I think thats the name). Plus they have harvest king for different makes like IH, John Deere, etc. I going to get the books on it but it is nice out this weekend so I would like to do somethings.

Yes I found where the TA was also. If you engage it is seems like a brake is on or something. TA is new to me but to me is seems like it works fine. Do you only engage the TA with it out of gear or can you do it on the fly?

Looks like it is missing a light knob or something since I can't turn any on anywhere. There is a switch but it is missing the knob.

Hope that answers some of your questions and I added some more.

Thanks Again for all your help.

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the tractor vet

04-08-2006 17:09:24




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 Re: New 460 Owner-Lots of Q's in reply to marksd, 04-08-2006 13:35:15  
If there are two small steel lines running from the torque tube or center of the tractor on the left side running up along side of the engine up to the ft and down by the radator then it has P / S , now the hdy system has a piggy back pump behinf that square plate where the one big hose goes from it to the dash support one pump supplys the hitch and remotes and the other pump supplys the P/S with hdy oil and all this oil also lubes the rearend and there fore you MUST run Hy Tran in the transmission and rearend as it is all one . So if the P/S is not working it could be that there is no pressure or ya got a valving problem up in the steering . Looks like ya got some reading to do so get and I T manual and a Owners book for it and read we all will try and help the best we can But we are not doing the work .

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Broomstacker

04-08-2006 14:41:46




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 Re: New 460 Owner-Lots of Q's in reply to marksd, 04-08-2006 13:35:15  
Mark, first thing I would recommend is to change ALL of the fluids: Crankcase, radiator, hydraulics, PTO. Also change all of the filters. Then you'll know where you're at and what does and doesn't work right. I believe she takes 9 qts of engine oil, 10 gallons of Hy-Tran, and maybe 2 1/2 quarts in PTO. 2 gallons of antifreeze, the rest water should be about right. You can get filters from Case IH, and once you identify which ones, you can get hydraulic filters from NAPA. Does she have a working Torque Amplifier?

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the tractor vet

04-08-2006 17:00:06




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 Re: New 460 Owner-Lots of Q's in reply to Broomstacker, 04-08-2006 14:41:46  
Ya had better make that 3 1/2 galliom of antifreez and the rest water As the cooling system is bigger the 4 gallion .



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Broomstacker

04-08-2006 17:35:21




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 Re: New 460 Owner-Lots of Q's in reply to the tractor vet, 04-08-2006 17:00:06  
Thanks, Tractor Vet. I keep forgetting not everybody lives in Florida like me. LOL



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Janicholson

04-08-2006 13:55:43




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 Re: New 460 Owner-Lots of Q's in reply to marksd, 04-08-2006 13:35:15  
I was told it had power steering but it doesn't.
It does have PS, it just isn't working. There is probably an issue with Hyd pressure going from a diverter (wrong term, right idea) to the PS.

So if there a place to check for fluid for the power steering? No, uses the tractors Hyd Fluid.

Hytran, or any other high quality Brand name Hydraulic fluid, Drain and fill recommended.

Also on the right side of the dash console there is 3 levers. From what I can determine the 1st two must be for 2 remotes hydraulic outlets. One under the battery area and one at the rear of the tractor. All I hear is a whining noise when I move them.
Don't do that for more than a few seconds, it is dead headinng the hyd system. It does indicate that things are probably OK in the pump and levers.
The there is a 3rd on the end of the 2 that raises up the 2pt. Am I correct about the levers? YES

Also where is the fluid for those at and do you (do not know on that model)

How hard is it to cover the 2pt fast hitch to use 3pt stuff?
Not hard kits are available. See archives for Info. Kits are on this site and others.

Also does the 2pt have down pressure or only lift? Down if a pin is inserted in the linkage.

Now I have read that the 460 is rated at 1850rpms. What does that mean?

It means that when wide open, and loaded down to 1850 on the tach, it is making all of the power it can. (assuming no engine performance modifications, or governor changes)

Good luck I hope I helped some, JimN

Can you run it faster than 1850? I also see that the guage has a 540 pto symbol on it. Do you run PTO stuff at that RPM?

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