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blakesimpson

03-30-2006 18:34:42




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Me and my neighbor have a new project as of today. We pulled what I beleive to be a farmall model A tractor out of the woods and to his house today, and we would like to get it running if at all possible, but I am unfamilliar with this old of a tractor. The carburetor was laying on one of the rear wheels and it is all frozen up, so we have it soaking overnight in hopes that maybe it will free up. The first question I have is I see where the carb mounts on the bottom of the intake but why is there a hole on the top of the intake manifold and is there something that mounts there that is missing. Does the exhaust come out of what looks like the valve cover. It has a hole in the grill just below the radiator so I am assuming it is a manual start and was wondering what I could use to try and turn the engine over with to make sure it is not frozen up because we do not have the starting rod, I am familiar with the newer john deere tractors but I have no idea about this one, thanks for any help with the questions and i am sure that I will have more, I haven't been able to find any pictures on the internet of just the engine to see exactly what might be missing.

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blake simpson

04-02-2006 18:30:58




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 Re: New Project Model A in reply to blakesimpson, 03-30-2006 18:34:42  
well i have been messing with the old tractor the last few days and this is what i think so far, it is a late thirty's model, i tried to turn over the engine but had no luck, i started pulling the plugs only two of them were tight, they didn't even look like they have ever been fired, i pulled the oil filter to look at it, it also looked like it had never been used, so i assume some years ago that someone else had tried to get it running and gave up, i filled the cylinders with transmission fluid and let it sit overnight,saturday i went back and tried to turn it over still no luck, so i took off the head the cylinders actually look pretty good no real scoring on them but i didn't look at the top of the pistons because the trans fluid is still soaking in the cylinders, i pulled the oil pan to look at the bottom end and it looked ok for the age of it, i continued to try and break it loose while i was doing all of this but still no luck, i pulled the magneto and i pulled what i think is a governor off still no help, so i rigged up my ratchet and a cheater pipe with a bucket of water hanging off the end to hold some tension on the crankshaft overnight and i will see if maybe that helps, i was wondering does these old engines have lifters that may be stuck in there respective holes that are keeping the camshaft from turning, i am kind of to the point that i am not sure if it is worth spending any money on it or not, because right now it will still roll and it would be easy to take it to the recycle place before i tear into very much further, how much time have ya'll spent trying to free up an engine before just giving up, i would just like to see it turn over and fire one time the way it sets then i could easily say that it would be worth it but as of right now i am begining to wonder if it is worth it the sheemetal seems to be in good condition the fuel tank seems to be dent and hole free just needs to be cleaned out,sorry for the rambling on but i appreciate the help,one more question what is the best way to get out the lifters if it has any because i have so much trans fluid and pb blaster in the engine that i can't really see what is down in there
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blake

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El Toro

03-31-2006 05:40:18




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 Re: New Project Model A in reply to blakesimpson, 03-30-2006 18:34:42  
You will probably need to tear that engine down to see what the condition of the engine is. Pull the head and soak the cylinders with transmission fluid. If the tractor is an A it will have wet sleeves. I restored an A 30 years ago and the engine was seized. I drove out the pistons with
a 2X2 piece of oak and a big hammer. Two of the sleeves came out with the pistons and I used a torch to heat the sleeves, so the pistons would come out. I used a new sleeve and piston kit. Had the engine degreased and the crankshaft polished and used .002" undersize bearings. Hal

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Ron in Nebr

03-30-2006 23:51:15




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 Re: New Project Model A in reply to blakesimpson, 03-30-2006 18:34:42  
Underneath one of the supports for the seat you should(if it's still there) be able to find a metal tag that has the tractor's serial number on it. You can use the link at the left of this page to find out what year it is. Serial numbers will also be stamped somewhere on the engine block(someone else on here can probably tell ya exactly where).

Like the previous post said, that hole in the top of the manifold is most likely where the exhaust went out. There should be a fairly heavy pipe, about 1 1/2" or so ID sticking up that the muffler attached to. The tube sticking up out of the valve cover was where you added oil and, as mentioned, came with a breather cap on it. You didn't say if there was an actual electric starter on the tractor or not. If there is, it'd be on the right side(as your sitting on the seat), right behind the engine block, mounted to the bellhousing facing rearwards. If it's an older model with no electric starter, there should be a stamped steel cover plate with two bolt holes in that spot.

You can find a hand crank here on this site, or check ebay.

I'd bet good money that, with no exhaust cover and with the oil filler cap gone, the engine has been COMPLETELY full of water and has every last bit of it rusted solid...maybe even some things cracked from freezing that wouldn't crack normally from just leaving water in the cooling system....

Best bet would be to tear it down completely right away and see what you have to work with and go from there. Pull the plugs from the trans and rear wheel bullgear housings too and check for water in there....if they're OK you can probably find a replacement engine somewhere, or else if nothing else make a little cash selling parts off it.

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Janicholson

03-30-2006 19:02:27




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 Re: New Project Model A in reply to blakesimpson, 03-30-2006 18:34:42  
Welcome to the forum.

The intake and exhaust are on the same side of the head. Assuming you are talking about a hole that a good sized plum would fit in, that is the exhaust. It needs to be cleaned out and (possibly) re-threaded for a new pipe if the threads are corroded up (probable)
You will need a manual (available here on this site, or from others). The front hole is for a crank, They are fairly common and can also be found here. The valve cover should have breather a cap on the tube. Many questions are to be asked, we will help with much of the issues raised. Pull the plugs and fill the cylinders with auto trans fluid. If a cylinder won't fill up with a pint or so, stop all effort to revive, and remove the cylinder head. There is cylinder dammage. (this is not a fatal issue, it just means it can't be started at all till rebuilt (probably with new sleeves and pistons). Keep us informed on the progress.
JimN

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Mark

03-30-2006 20:15:13




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 Re: New Project Model A in reply to Janicholson, 03-30-2006 19:02:27  
Reminds me of a man i know. he was hunting years ago and came upon this old Johnnypopper in the woods. It had been there so long, the bottoms of the steel wheels had rusted away. Seems it had also frozen and cracked the block. He goes down the farmhouse and asks about it. Story was, it was used to log the farm about 30 years prior, the logger had left it full of water, it froze and cracked the block and they just left it there. Turned out to be a '37 model. He managed to get it out of the woods and got it running...with lots of work and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

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