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Changing Ring Gear on Super C

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CharleyFarmall

03-27-2006 03:09:54




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Does anyone know how hard it is to get the ring gear off the flywheel and put the new one on? I have a some damaged teeth and don"t want to ruin my new starter.




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Hugh MacKay

03-27-2006 09:59:06




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 Re: Changing Ring Gear on Super C in reply to CharleyFarmall, 03-27-2006 03:09:54  
Charley: Well, at least we know who fears the Mrs. Welcome to the club gentlemen.

Seriously, when I did mt Super A with flywheel still on tractor, a neighbor IH technician came with torches. He hung the new ring gear on a coat hanger, passed me the welding gloves. As the old ring came loose, I pulled it off using gloves, while he turned to heat the new one. I went around the flywheel with wire brush, and no sooner laid the brush down until he had gloves on coming with new ring. My guess is this probably took less than 5 min. He just went continuous around the ring with torch being very careful not to get it red. It's surprising how little heat it takes.

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the tractor vet

03-27-2006 10:10:04




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 Re: Changing Ring Gear on Super C in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-27-2006 09:59:06  
Well , why do you think i call her the WAR DEPT. and her side of the famialy they no speaka the good english and run specials every so often ah broken arm and leg 250 dollar for someone yoah noah like .



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Red Dave

03-27-2006 08:39:08




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 Re: Changing Ring Gear on Super C in reply to CharleyFarmall, 03-27-2006 03:09:54  
I just put one on my B, which will be very similar, if not the same as your Super C.

I replaced all the clutch parts. The machine shop at the local NAPA that turned the flywheel sold and installed the new ring gear for me. I think the new ring gear was around $30 and installation was a couple bucks more.

All in all a good deal.



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the tractor vet

03-27-2006 07:40:34




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 Re: Changing Ring Gear on Super C in reply to CharleyFarmall, 03-27-2006 03:09:54  
Well, like the othres have said the oven works , but if like to keep special body parts intacked from the wife and her butcher knife if yo have a torch and a pice of plate steel lay the flywheel next to it and lay the ringgear on the plate and use the torch and warm the ringgear with the torch you do not have to get it cheery red just warm 350-400 degrees and with a pair of good welding gloves just pick it up and drop it in place and make sure that it drops flat and stays flat till it cools . THe steel plate helps it heat evenly and hold the heat while you shut the torch off and lay it down done this in the field several times and works well. And you do not have a mad wife .

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Bob M

03-27-2006 06:49:23




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 Re: Changing Ring Gear on Super C in reply to CharleyFarmall, 03-27-2006 03:09:54  
Like Dave and Josh below, the oven trick worked for me too. After "baking" the gear at 400 deg for 1/2 hour or so it dropped right onto place on the flywheel then clamped itself tightly as it cooled. (Tip: If you are married recommend using the oven only on "girl's night out"...)

FWIW - While it will work I don't recommend flipping and reusing a worn ring gear. Rather put a crowbar to your wallet and buy yourself a new one! It'll cost <$40. After the time/effort you go to split the tractor it'll be money well spent...

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Dave_Id

03-27-2006 04:47:23




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 Re: Changing Ring Gear on Super C in reply to CharleyFarmall, 03-27-2006 03:09:54  
May I add to Harolds post. You may be able to just turn the ring around if the teeth aren't broken all the way. When reinstalling, instead of heating up with a torch, warm it up to about 300-350 degrees in the wifes oven, and the ring gear will just slip on. Make sure while you have it apart to replace the pilot bushing. They only cost about $7.



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Josh H

03-27-2006 06:03:22




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 Re: Changing Ring Gear on Super C in reply to Dave_Id, 03-27-2006 04:47:23  
I like using the oven better too. Pick a time when your wife is away and put the flywheel right in the kitchen. Heat up the ring gear (my I&T manual said 450 F) grab it with some welding gloves and drop it on. First time I did it I thought i had the wrong gear, it went on so easily, but once it cooled down it snugged right up.
Josh



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Harold Hubbard

03-27-2006 03:36:31




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 Re: Changing Ring Gear on Super C in reply to CharleyFarmall, 03-27-2006 03:09:54  
The hardest part is splitting the tractor to get the flywheel off, and while you are at it you might as well change the clutch if it needs it.

Once you get the flywheel off, set it clutch side down on a block of wood that is small enough for the gear to fit over. Most ring gears come off towards the clutch side, but check to be sure. If it looks like it comes off the other way, just turn the wheel over. Be sure the flywheel is solidly supported, you don't want to be chasing it around, or picking it off your toe half way through the job. Heat the gear with a torch, working evenly around it and occaisionally tapping with a small hammer until it loosens up and falls off. Turn the flywheel over and lay the new gear on it with something to hold it up. I usually lay a couple of welding rods across under it. You can also just heat it somewhere else, and pick it up and move it when it's ready. Heat the new gear carefully and evenly until it is just hot enought to melt a piece of solder laid on it, then pull out your supports and quickly tap the gear onto the flywheel. Make sure it seats tightly all the way around. I use a small hammer and a brass punch to do this.

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