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Hey Vet...544 Hiccup!

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BillyinStoughton

03-24-2006 12:00:03




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Good afternoon guys! Hopefully you've got some good information for me!

My Dad has a 1971 Farmall 544 gasser (gear drive). It had been running poorly at the end of last fall and he decided to have the carburetor gone through by the local CNH boys. Upon their disassembly, they found the plastic venturi was cracked and missing a piece. Upon rebuilding it, the tractor does run a heck of a lot better...but I am having quite a time getting things adjusted now that it has been reinstalled.

I have tried setting the carb as described by the 544 operators manual...close the idle adjusting needle screw to it's seat and back it out one turn, start the engine and warm the engine. It seems to run well at full throttle, but after I return it to idle, the engine surges. You can actually see the governor linkage running back and forth as the engine rises and falls. The idle adjusting needle screw will do nothing to alleviate this. I can turn the screw in or out till it falls on it's face, but the whole time it will continue to surge.

Also once it is warm, I can only speed up the engine by moving the throttle open slowly. If I just open it up, it will almost immediately die. Maybe the winter has just been too much for this poor guys brain!

Should I be looking into the governor?

Thanks in advance guys! You are always a big help!

Billy

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Blazing Bruck

03-24-2006 17:44:02




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 Re: Hey Vet...544 Hiccup! in reply to BillyinStoughton, 03-24-2006 12:00:03  
Perhaps this will help. This has worked for me before and it will help pinpoint the problem. Pull the throttle down to idle, and then diconnect the governor to carb rod. Install a throttle return spring on the throttle shaft arm so as to keep the throttle closed.( You don't want the engine to take off on you ungoverned.) Now you can start the tractor and contol the throttle position at various rpm's and see if the motor surges. If it does it's the carb. If it doesn't, it's the governor. I've generally found that the length of the governor to carb rod is the culprit. A good rule of thumb is to lengthen the governor to carb rod so it just drops in the carb throttle shaft hole with the throttle wide open and with the throttle control at the steering wheel wide open. THEN, give the rod another 1/2 turn longer. Then adjust the small screw for response

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Allan In NE

03-24-2006 13:12:52




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 Re: Hey Vet...544 Hiccup! in reply to BillyinStoughton, 03-24-2006 12:00:03  
Boy,

I sure don't want to counter the Vet and all, but I disagree. If that carburetor has been removed, you have to totally resynchronize the governor with the carburetor or sometimes the darned thing will flare.

First you make all the linkage adjustments per the manual as well as the low and high-speed adjustments. After that, adjust those carburetor enrichment settings.

If it is still "hunting" it needs the spring tension on the governor tightened just to the point where the hunting stops and no more.

Then at that point, you might have to re-enrich the low or high side just a touch until it "cracks" throttle right. If you cannot get it to stop that hesitation, recheck your dwell and timing because it is too slow.

Be glad to scan the procedure if you need it. And, to be sure, I'm just trying to help, not start a darned war.

Allan

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BillyinStoughton

03-24-2006 13:28:35




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 Re: Hey Vet...544 Hiccup! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-24-2006 13:12:52  
If you would scan that particular procedure, that would be great! I don't have it in the operators manual, I'm sure it's contained in the repair manual though.

I appreciate the help Allan! I'm gonna give it a run this weekend. I know the Old Man is itchin' to get his loader tractor back.

Thanks again Allan!

Billy



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Allan In NE

03-24-2006 15:51:38




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 Re: Hey Vet...544 Hiccup! in reply to BillyinStoughton, 03-24-2006 13:28:35  
Hope this helps.

Allan

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BillyinStoughton

03-27-2006 06:48:54




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 Re: Hey Vet...544 Hiccup! in reply to Allan In NE, 03-24-2006 15:51:38  
Thanks for posting that procedure for me Allan. I'll let you know how it goes!

Billy



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the tractor vet

03-24-2006 15:49:01




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 Re: Hey Vet...544 Hiccup! in reply to BillyinStoughton, 03-24-2006 13:28:35  
Well here we go again if ya think that it is out of sink then pull the throttel wide open and remove the arm lever or what ya want to call it and hold the carb in the wide open posision and see if it will drop into the throttel shaft . If it does not well then adjust the linkage so that it will but this is not the problem there is a passage in the CARB that is not allowen fuel to pass on the ideal side plain and simple . And yes Allen i am still in a grumpy mode . It is not the first time that someone have missed something rebuilding a carb i have even done it and had to go back thru it a second time cussen and swearen because i messed up SHUT HAPPENS . And also if it has the wrong ventura in it it will stumbel . if the main jet is not open all the way it will stumbel . throttel responce should be crisp when the engine is warm and should take full throttel as fast as you can pull the lever down if it does not then Huston you got a problem . So it is not a linkage problem on this one it is a carb problem as it was not hunting before or was it . Since i can now put my grubby hands on it but know from experance i am tell you like it is.

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the tractor vet

03-24-2006 12:04:50




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 Re: Hey Vet...544 Hiccup! in reply to BillyinStoughton, 03-24-2006 12:00:03  
Just because you had it done at the dealer does not mean that is done correctly as there is a passage still blocked . if it is hunting then it is still a carb problem take it back or better yet take the tractor with the carb and say here you screwed it up now you fix it .



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