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IH 454 Diesel Front End Loader?

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BelfynJoe In KY

03-23-2006 07:16:23




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I was wondering if our IH 454 Diesel is capable of handling a front end loader. We've inherited from my Grandpa, and I don't have a manual for it. Lots of hours (4597). It seems to be a good strong tractor other than a healthy appetite for either in cold weather & 4th (hi or low) gear not working. After doing some reading on the forums here, I'm wondering if it doesn't need the linkage adjusted. As far as the either is concerned it looks like there is some sort of automatic either injecting system on the engine. I don't know if this is an add-on or if it's original. Any advice is appreciated...

Here's my questions/concerns about a loader...

1. I've noticed some ports beneath the right rear fender/running board. Are these the remote hydraulics that is needed for running a front end loader?

2. Is the hydraulic system capable enough (the 3pt hitch has great response) to handle a loader, or would I be dissatisfied because of the arms raising very slow?

3. What's a good loader to buy?

I've looked at a Bush Hog brand on Ebay ($3899 + $499 joystick & $299 shipping) I know this is probably more than the worth of the tractor, but I don't want to sell it, and if I'm gonna keep it I want to use it. Are there other brands that anyone would recommend (ie Quike, Buhler etc.)?

Thanks in advance,
Joe

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BelfynJoe in KY

03-24-2006 06:52:43




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 Re: IH 454 Diesel Front End Loader? in reply to BelfynJoe In KY, 03-23-2006 07:16:23  
JB2, that is similar to the procedure I would follow with either on this machine. I guess I over exaggerated when I said "healthy appetite." I was just used to an old Ford backhoe that never required any. But, it may have had glow plugs, I don"t know for sure.

As far as the loader goes, I would mainly be using it for landscaping mulch, light grading of topsoil, and lifting. I plan on adding ballast whether it"s fluid in the tires or a weight at the 3pt hitch. What I"m concerned about the most is will the hydraulic system on this tractor provide enough pressure/volume to operate the loader well enough (raise up and down quickly) where it would be worth the investment buying a front end loader? Or would I be better off buying a skid steer of something of that sort to do work around my new home.

Thanks again for all the input!

Joe

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FromJB2

03-23-2006 19:21:52




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 Re: IH 454 Diesel Front End Loader? in reply to BelfynJoe In KY, 03-23-2006 07:16:23  
Hi Joe, my brother has had a 454D since 1972 and also has a 495D which is the newer model of the 454D.

Re loader, he has an IH 2250 Quick attach loader on the 495 that he uses every day to feed round bales. Now my opion is the 2250 loader is to heavy for the 454/495 front axle. He has broken hub and axle bolts. The tractor hydraulics handle the loader fine. The rear tires are loaded and in the winter he has a set of Trygg spike chains and a 3pt blade on the back.

Re starting 454 in cold weather:
Starting down to -10F.
1)Good batery, winter Diesel fuel, Stop/Run lever to Start position and crank the engine if it doesn't fire within in 3 or 4 revs give it 1 shot of ether while cranking engine, if still no fire give it 1 more shot of ether while cranking.
If it still doesn't start STOP and plug in the block heater.

Below -10F use a block or tank heater for about 30 minutes.

Re ether, my brother's 454 has over 15,000 Hrs on it and he used to start it almost every day in the winter using the above procedure without problems and we live in eastern Canada were the temparatures go as low as -30F sometimes but not this year.

The 495 does not use an ether assist start but has a glow plug in the intake manifold that also heats the Diesel Fuel going to the injection pump. The 495 will start to -20F without being plugged in.

JB2

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Quebec Red

03-23-2006 17:55:39




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 Re: IH 454 Diesel Front End Loader? in reply to BelfynJoe In KY, 03-23-2006 07:16:23  
Bought a 454 new in 1971 with a 1550 IH loader. The loader had its own valves. Calcium in the rear for ballast. The swept back front axle put a lot of weight on the front. It was a good snow tractor but poor on wet conditions. Traded in 1973 for a 574 and an 1850 loader. Put 9.5x15 tires on instead of 7.50x16. With big tires and a straight front axle, this was a much superior unit. Also with the straight axle and big tires, I also broke several spindles (about one a year)..... QR..

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BelfyJoe in KY

03-23-2006 12:16:51




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 Re: IH 454 Diesel Front End Loader? in reply to BelfynJoe In KY, 03-23-2006 07:16:23  
Well, I see I have stirred up a some controversy on either,...,let"s not turn this into an either debate. But, I do appreciate the feedback.

My main interest is what knowledge folks have about front end loaders for this IH 454 diesel. What kind of research would be good for me to know what I am getting into when I try to make a front end loader work with this tractor? I have searched on this forum, but haven"t found much about it.

Any other help appreciated!!

Thanks,
Joe

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the tractor vet

03-23-2006 12:46:47




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 Re: IH 454 Diesel Front End Loader? in reply to BelfyJoe in KY, 03-23-2006 12:16:51  
Now i do not stay up on model #'s for loaders , but i have put on a few new ones and if you get the loader that the MFG. sayes fits your tractor then it was made for that HP. class of tractor and will have the correct mounting brackets for that tractor , now as far as your tractor Hdy. if it has a remote or a power beyonde port then it is no big deal now with a loader on it you will need to load your tire and add weight either to the wheels in the form of wheel weights or a weight to the three point sorta your choise there , As the loader will have the lifting power to bring the back of the tractor off the ground . Now one thing to keed in mind that this is and Ag tractor and not and industral model and the loader was made more for chore work and not excavating . And the best way to have a loader installed is to have the dealer install it andhave that incluided in the deal in wrighting.

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the tractor vet

03-23-2006 08:05:07




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 Re: IH 454 Diesel Front End Loader? in reply to BelfynJoe In KY, 03-23-2006 07:16:23  
Yes it will handel a loader and as for the healthe appite for either well i see that you are not up on diesel operation and all you are doing is knocking the piston rings out of it and it will lead to and earlie engine falure . If you plan on using a diesel in cold weather then it is helpful to have a block heater to warm the engine or keep it in a heated shed . if you have the owners manual i would stongley recomend that you read it from cover to cover and it will explain cold start and allowen the engine and hdy. system warm up before being put to work along with recomend service and correct oils and filters . And throw the either can away.

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Allan In NE

03-23-2006 10:47:15




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 Re: IH 454 Diesel Front End Loader? in reply to the tractor vet, 03-23-2006 08:05:07  
Vet,

Actually, that is a very outdated mode of thinking. The only way either can do harm to an engine is if the poor old thing is totally wobbled out to start with and the rings are probably already cracked/broken anyway.

IH, John Deere and many other diesel manufacturers' have been installing either assist devices on their diesels for well over 30 years and the owner's manuals give explicit instructions on how to use it at temperatures below the freezing mark.

Millions upon millions of tractors around the globe are started on either all the time during cold weather.

Allan

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the tractor vet

03-23-2006 12:34:48




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 Re: IH 454 Diesel Front End Loader? in reply to Allan In NE, 03-23-2006 10:47:15  
Now allen i know i am in grumpy mode today but you do not know how many times i had to tear and engine down because of hard start and only to find that othere then broken rings and knocked out ring lands from over use of either or how many times i have gottren a call from someone on a cold morning telling me that while tryen to start his tractor that it quiet cranking and locked up and yes everybody has installed either assisit on there tractors but they also sell PARTS . Now a good example of something loven either is the good old double breasted yamha ( detroitdiesel 2 stroke ) do a freash rebuild you noticed i said rebuild not overhaul and if it never gets a wif of either she go or either she blow it will start down to o before help is needed but take that same engine and give her a shot and yu will be feeding it on a 60 degree day . Now since other the a couple other guys on here i have a couple more engines under my belt . and i would dare say that i have seen a bit more then most . And one thing that you will not find on any of my tractors is a either can and if it came with one it is file thirteened and the hole pluged .

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