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what happend to fast hitch

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Joe werner

03-15-2006 18:33:13




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I was wondering why you dont see any new tractors with fast hitch on it? i always like it better then 3pt hitch.




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G Johnson

03-16-2006 18:27:03




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Joe werner, 03-15-2006 18:33:13  
Here this JD lovers. In the late fifties JD wanted to licence produce the IH fast hitch.IH refused to grant JD the licence.If they had would we be using the fast hitch today?



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Aces

03-16-2006 10:05:22




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Joe werner, 03-15-2006 18:33:13  
You guys that don't like the fast hitch should just go be Deer guys. Some one said they could make three rounds before with three piont before fast hitch could get plow off the fround, but how many days before did you mount the plow or do you have an other tractor to just leave the 3 point plow on all year round. If the anit a man killer to mount I don't know what is. If you can't back into fast hitch and go clean it up and fix the latchs. and for big loads fast will get the job done. I don't know to many guys that can move a 5 bottom plow to to get lined up to 3 point.

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BillyinStoughton

03-16-2006 10:41:07




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Aces, 03-16-2006 10:05:22  
Aces! A Deere guy? Ouch! That hurts this late in the week! :) I didn't mean to get under your skin, but to get that 3 point hooked up all I have to do is pull out the arm extentions, back in, and after that it's just a couple of pins and away we go.

I will admit, the fast hitch on some of the smaller IH equipment does seem to work quite well, that being said...with the three point I can adjust my attachment points up, down, left, right, in, and out...that's more than you get with the fast hitch. And when it comes to hooking up big equipment, it isn't going to be me wrestling with it.

We may have to agree to disagree on this one. I appreciate the thoughts though.

Billy

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BillyinStoughton

03-16-2006 07:40:27




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Joe werner, 03-15-2006 18:33:13  
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billonthefarm

03-16-2006 16:46:29




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to BillyinStoughton, 03-16-2006 07:40:27  
Yep, thats how it always works for me! I just gave up on the block and let it fall on the ground. It ends up there anyway. bill



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BillyinStoughton

03-16-2006 07:50:24




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to BillyinStoughton, 03-16-2006 07:40:27  
See the above link...that's how I feel about the fast hitch too! Used it, never liked it, wished IH would have swollowed their pride and bucked up for the 3 point. You can try to justify it's existence, but I have yet to see an application where it performs better than the 3 point.

We have two Farmall 544's at the farm....one with a fast hitch, one with a 3 point. We have a three bottom plow for each tractor. I'll have two rounds done with the 3 point unit before that darned fast hitch has the plow off the ground.

I'm IH to the bone, but will never stand up for what they did to promote the fast hitch. Shame on you IH!

Billy

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Hugh MacKay

03-16-2006 16:29:49




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to BillyinStoughton, 03-16-2006 07:50:24  
Billy: I like that one about getting the blade unhooked. Then you have the guy that almost wrecked his fast hitch corn planter getting it unhooked. I had an experience with my sprayer, design was such that I had to set it down on two pallets, then I almost pulled it off the pallets, half full of Atrazine. That one would have been a hoot, nicely upgrade about 30' from Mama's flower beds.

I will admit, I do like the 1 point version on the 130 and 140. At least a guy is only dealing with 1 point, and one can manhandle most of that equipment. I keep the forks and receivers well coated with graphite. Some of these guy can talk all they want about keeping hitch clean, but I've seen sand wedge them solid after a days work.

My 560 got so loose on side draft of the hitch, it was unsafe to use as a drawbar. At 5 years, I could push the drawbar sideways 6". Rebuilt all pins, holes and bushings. That only lasted a year and it was bad as ever. It was a bit like baling with pins out on swinging drawbar. I have had the PTO telescope shaft come apart on my manure spreader, great for the U joints.

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Cotton Picker

03-16-2006 06:34:13




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Joe werner, 03-15-2006 18:33:13  
Talking to my father who grew up on a typical southern cotton farm and later worked 20 years for Harvester Company, he still shakes his head when talking about the fast hitch. Here in the delta IH had covered up this part of the country with tractors, when hitches came along the 3pt worked better and held up better. He and other dealers pleaded with IH to convert to a 3pt starting in the mid-50's. IH executives in Chicago would not listen.

Between the 2pt, and the 460, 560 disaster of the late 50's JD got market share and hasn't looked back.

The 2pt may have worked in other parts of the country, but not down here, the executives needed to be listen instead of being hard-headed.

And don't get him started on the "tele-depth" system, that was a joke.

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Dave 2N

03-16-2006 06:19:39




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Joe werner, 03-15-2006 18:33:13  
Good topic.

I have a Fast Hitch on my Super C and it works well with Fast Hitch implements.

But-As some have stated below, 3 pt. hitch was already established when I-H came out with Fast Hitch. I-H should have developed their own version or paid $$$$$ for the rights to use a 3 pt. design. ( I don't know the legalities and financials of something like that.) Anyway, as nice as the Fast Hitch is for some tractors, I not only like three point better but I also think 3 pt. is a better design. And, it's compatible with most implements.

There's a company out there, Saginaw, that makes after-market 3 pts. for Farmalls, JD's, A-C's and others. They make a great product (I have one on my J-D A); I haven't noticed them offering any Fast Hitch conversions, for obvious reasons.

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russ hamm

03-16-2006 05:33:42




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Joe werner, 03-15-2006 18:33:13  
anybody that thinks the fast hitch is little more than junk, please feel free to drop off your old implements at my yard and i will be glad to take that junk off your hands.thanks, russ



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Hugh MacKay

03-16-2006 06:39:58




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to russ hamm, 03-16-2006 05:33:42  
Russ: I take notice you say drop it off, well unless one took the time to watch the market closely scrap metal has never been worth hauling anywhere, not even to the nearest scrap dealer, let alone your yard. Yes, I cut the hitch up for scrap and 85% of it has been used for other fabrications. I can think of one little piece I threw on a scrap dealers truck one day, many times since I could have used that for another fabrication project.

As I said these hitches were great on small tractors, the very first 1 point fast hitch I had on my Super A was built from one of the 560 hitch sockets. The other hitch socket was incorperated into quick attach for my skid loader, designed so I could hitch to any pull type, 3 point or 1point implement on the farm. Greatest vehicle ever for putting equipment away for winter storage. The skid steer would put my corn planter and grain drill through a door, without damage, and they were both 8" wider than the door. Try that with a tractor.

The lift cylinder from the 560 was used on a hydraulic spout control on a NH 890 forage harvester, at least with 4" bore one could reasonably hit the wagon. The 1.5" bore cylinder from that spout control was used for boom fold on a sprayer. With 1066 hydraulics behind it, that little 1.5" cylinder was going to wreck my harvester discharge spout. Now if you want what is left over, your welcome to come and get it. If I'm not home, it will all be in a bananna box at the end of my shop. The bananna box may be wet, but don't worry it will stand the weight of the broken spider gears from the 560 control valve.

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NDS

03-16-2006 06:58:48




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-16-2006 06:39:58  
Hugh:

Until recently I would agree with you on scrap not being worth the effort but down here in sunny south scrap metal prices have gone through the ceiling in last couple of years. Have heard reports of some types of scrap metal bringing $190 ton. There is large scrap metal dealer not far from me and every time I go by now trucks and trailers of every description are lined up on side of highway waiting to get on scales. Know some who are making auction circuit and buying impemplents that seell cheap for scrap.

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Hugh MacKay

03-16-2006 16:42:26




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to NDS, 03-16-2006 06:58:48  
NDS: I'd check that one again if I were you, unless you have some different pricing than we are getting here. It took off last year, was hardly safe to leave a shabby vehicle unattended. Then just as quickly the price dropped again.


I gave up running my old 86 Buick at Christmas, offered it to two different guys for the taking. It's still parked in my yard. I think they want me to pile it full of the steel I use for my building projects.

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Allan In NE

03-16-2006 03:56:16




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Joe werner, 03-15-2006 18:33:13  
Joe,

I'm with Hugh on this one.

They were just simply a "bad" idea. If IH had gone with a four-point lift like John Deere had during those patient-war years, they would probably still be in business today.

That fast hitch was doomed from the start because of its inherent lifting limitation.

By the time IH woke up and smelled the coffee, by the time they realized that the whole industry had then moved towards the 3-point standard, they had lost market share and was never able to catch back up even tho they were producing superior tractors.

In later years, when they finally did get on the 3-point bandwagon, all their faithful red farmers had to switch complete lines of machinery or buy their adaptor packages for each and every machine. This left kind of a bad taste in those collective farmers' mouths and they took their money elsewhere.

Very, very bad call on IH's part. Too darned bad too, because even to this day IH's draft sensing, telescoping 3-point hitches are second to none in "smart" design.

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

03-16-2006 03:23:21




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Joe werner, 03-15-2006 18:33:13  
Joe: IH did the world a favour by not selling the rights to fast hitch. To start with Harry Ferguson had won the hitch war before IH built and marketed the first fast hitch on the Super C back in 1952. Fast hitch was great on small tractors from size of Super C on down. The one point on the offsets is excellent.

If however you go to the larger tractors, fast hitch was little more than junk. I had one on a 560D, by the time it was 5 year old the hitch was so loose, it wasn't safe to use on pull type PTO equipment. The fact it also served as the drawbar on pull type implements, made it somewhat like pulling a PTO driven baler with 2' piece of chain. One could rebuild the pins and holes, but that would only last about 1 year and you were rebuilding again. I cut my 560 fast hitch up for scrap before it was 10 years old. I ordered a new U and swinging drawbar from IH.

Now there were two good principles came out of Fast Hitch and were later applied to 3 point. Yes Harry Ferguson may have designed 3 point hitch but IH perfected it with lower link sencing for draft control, and the telescoping lower link, which make for easy hitching.

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Aces

03-15-2006 21:38:29




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Joe werner, 03-15-2006 18:33:13  
Yes IH did not want to sell the fast hitch. I sure wish they would hace. I for one don't like the 3 point.



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K.B.-826

03-15-2006 20:50:33




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Joe werner, 03-15-2006 18:33:13  
Yes, we all know how patent-protective IH was, but lets not forget that the 3-point hitch was pretty much the industry standard before IH even thought of the fast hitch. Also, the fast hitch would not even begin to stand up to the abuse of todays big mounted implements, they'd put way too much stress on those two arms. The fast hitch was great in it's day, but a three-point hitch with a quick-coupler will do everything a fast hitch could and way more.

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Mark

03-15-2006 20:46:02




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Joe werner, 03-15-2006 18:33:13  
For my money's worth, the 3 pt hitch is the worst of all the modern hitching systems. But for whatever reason, it caught on and stayed. I always liked the Allis Snap Coupler system the best....especially because it drafts from in front of the rear wheels..which tends to pull the tractor down into the ground instead of levering it up. No rocket science involved. I've not seen it all or been around like many of you have, but I have yet to see any brand or color tractor that pound for pound would out pull an Allis....no flames required, I'm color blind. There is one green tractor and two red ones sitting here now, orange one long gone.

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Nat 2

03-16-2006 06:07:44




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Mark , 03-15-2006 20:46:02  
Just like Fast Hitch, the Snap Coupler system has limitations that make it impractical for tractors with more than about 50HP. Not much use on today's modern farm where the smallest tractor is, and what few weekend warrior farmers prefer FH to 3pt don't make up enough of a market to continue production.



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Mark

03-16-2006 20:00:07




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Nat 2, 03-16-2006 06:07:44  
Nat,

No need in belaboring the point, the snap coupler long dead and gone, but I have a neighbor still using his D21 and I think it a bit more than 50 horsepower...and it has a snap coupler set up. Seems to work fine for the last 40 years or so.



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sammy the RED

03-15-2006 19:38:53




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Joe werner, 03-15-2006 18:33:13  
The IH Fast Hitch is alive and well on a popular snow plow.



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Kelly C

03-15-2006 21:06:52




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to sammy the RED, 03-15-2006 19:38:53  
I have seen that. I said to my self. WOW! that looks just like my fast hitch.

I think Fast hitch would still sell well if it was set up right.
Needs to perform well as a 3pt and a fast hitch.



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PAULIH300

03-15-2006 19:11:21




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Joe werner, 03-15-2006 18:33:13  
IH wanted to keep it an IH exclusive,along with Torque Amplifier,and Hydra Touch,as a sales bragging right ("We have TA,FH and HT,does Ford? Does M-F? Does JD? No!")....but I suppose with all those other brands out there,a tractor buyer didnt HAVE to have an IH/Farmall tractor,and didnt HAVE to have TA,FH,and HT.
Just because Oldsmobile offered the 1990s Toronado with a touch screen control panel for heating/AC/stereo controls didnt mean that customers HAD to have or even WANTED the feature.They didnt,and el-Toro died a painful death.
Fast Hitch makes a lot of sense,and those with tractors that had it equipped,are very lucky people today indeed.A rare breed,but lucky nonetheless.That is something no Kubota can boast about.

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Steven@AZ

03-15-2006 18:41:01




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Joe werner, 03-15-2006 18:33:13  
IH wouldn't license it out to other companies. People liked the Fast Hitch, but didn't necesarily like buying all their mounted equipment from IH. Or buying IH fast hitch equipment and not being able to use it on another brand tractor.

Chalk a beautiful invention lost to foolish pride. 3-point caught on because the patent on it ran out first so other manufacturers could copy it legally without paying Ford/Ferguson.

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Dellbertt

03-15-2006 19:52:25




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Steven@AZ, 03-15-2006 18:41:01  
Steve, are you saying that IH patent on the fast hitch has run out now. Or is it still in effect.



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IaGary

03-15-2006 19:59:59




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 Re: what happend to fast hitch in reply to Dellbertt, 03-15-2006 19:52:25  
The patent should have run out in about 1980.
But it was to late.
All others had gone to the 3 pt so no wanted to produce the 2 pt or fast hitch.



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